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10/03/07, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by suzyhomemaker09
Now a straight answer from a cat lover......
You could band a cat, but if you did it would injure itself further as they have sharp teeth and can certainly reach the area that is causing discomfort. I have a farm friend who alters her own cats, it is done with a local anesthetic and a sterile scalpel at a young age, much they way goats are altered. I'm not a big fan of banding myself, to leave an animal with a bit of it to rot off seems inhumane to me. Yes I know it's been done that way for a long time , but I am entitled to my own opinion.
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What kind of local anesthetic can you get to use at home on a cat? I'm very interested.
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10/03/07, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Wind in Her Hair
Donsgal, surely you've been hanging around the Homesteading website long enough to know that "banding" is a way of castrating -slowly.  Its a controversial issue - to say the least...
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Oh. heh heh. No I didn't know that is what you were talking about. I thought the OP meant banding like with birds...You know, sticking a little band around their leg.
Banding to castrate? Well, I can see that maybe on an animal that has hangy-downy testicles like a sheep or goat or even bull (good luck), but not on a cat. I would think it would be impossible, and you would have quite a fight on your hands, I'd say. mewroooooooowwwwwww [[[[hissssssss]]]]
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10/03/07, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by donsgal
I'm missing something here. What would the purpose of a band be? If it is to prove ownership then I would say, just buy a license with a breakaway collar. Besides, nobody owns a cat. LOL
It does not sound to me as though you are interested in having a living, breathing creature become part of your world. Rather, you are looking for something to perform a service and *maybe* you might give it the care it needs, if only to keep it alive to "do it's job". Personally, I don't think this is a good idea. Cats need care and YES - LOVE. If you are unwilling to give your pet love, then you are better off just getting a mousetrap or something. IMHO if you do not love your pets, then that is abuse. One reason I did not get a dog was because I really did not WANT a dog and was going to have it only as security and the members of the forum here made me see the error of my ways.
I hope you see the error of your ways too.
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Are you serious? That is ridiculous. How could you possibly come to a conclusion like that from my original post? I was asking because I want to be a responsible pet owner and not have my cat impregnate other cats in the area. Where does my post infer that I am not going to care for nor give affection to my animals? Frankly I feel that your response is unjustified with the tiny bit on knowledge you have regarding me and my situation.
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10/03/07, 01:52 PM
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Pony,
Craigslist does allow pets to be sold provided that they're not advertised IN California. Elsewhere is fine. Main problem is everyone argues on what is considered a good adoption fee. Lots of people think $100-200 is too high, etc. Lots of banning of posts and arguing back and forth on that, lol.
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10/03/07, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by thermopkt
What kind of local anesthetic can you get to use at home on a cat? I'm very interested.
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Probably nothing you can get the vet to give you.
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10/03/07, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MandEmommie
Are you serious? That is ridiculous. How could you possibly come to a conclusion like that from my original post? I was asking because I want to be a responsible pet owner and not have my cat impregnate other cats in the area. Where does my post infer that I am not going to care for nor give affection to my animals? Frankly I feel that your response is unjustified with the tiny bit on knowledge you have regarding me and my situation.
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Well I sure didn't get any sense of affection in your original or subsequent posts. Maybe your just not an affectionate person, I don't know. I mean, how can you LOVE a cat if you aren't even going to be able to touch it because you are allergic? it's NOT all about food and medical treatment you know. They need LOVE. hello????
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10/03/07, 02:35 PM
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Will you be also feeding the cat/kitten? Im thinking that you should do so. Its a hard life for a cat to be outside and some help would not be remiss in the feeding dept.
I have 3 cats...the best mouser I ever had was a fixed male. He never let any mice in the house and I fed him also. But... I think getting an older cat is the way to go as you can see what kind of personality you are getting. Kittens are tricky as they grow up and change.
And yes I am a cat lover but dont see anything wrong with having some barn cats for mousers. I dont think banding is a good idea. Better to adopt one that is already fixed in my opinion.
So... in addition to all this cats do need attention and affection or they will just run away to another home then you have all the expense and work done for nothing. All my cats are inside cats but I did used to let them out until my cat was hit by a car and almost died. Like I said an outdoor cat is living a hard life.
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10/03/07, 02:37 PM
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Well I sure didn't get any sense of affection in your original or subsequent posts. Maybe your just not an affectionate person, I don't know. I mean, how can you LOVE a cat if you aren't even going to be able to touch it because you are allergic? it's NOT all about food and medical treatment you know. They need LOVE. hello????
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I am not allergic - my husband and my daughter are. I can touch the cat. I can show the cat affection. I'm not going to try to justify myself to you anymore however because you obviously have nothing of value to contribute in this discussion.
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10/03/07, 02:38 PM
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Reading this thread brings to mind the "Cat Lady" From the simpsons. hahaha, Oh that is hilarious stuff. Crazy old lady throwing her cats at you.... Hopefully some of you will know what I'm talking about...
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10/03/07, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MandEmommie
I am not allergic - my husband and my daughter are. I can touch the cat. I can show the cat affection. I'm not going to try to justify myself to you anymore however because you obviously have nothing of value to contribute in this discussion.
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You've got quite an attitude for somebody that has been on here for just a day. Reading the other replies, I'm not the only one that appeared to be concerned with your lack of apparent interest in the welfare of the cat. Your very question about "banding" him speaks volumes.
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10/03/07, 02:46 PM
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The biggest danger in banding a cat is that, after the wib gibblies fall off, sometimes the resulting hole doesn't heal over and the evil begins to leak out.
So, instead of dead-and-gone mice, you end up with scads of evil, angry mice.
And little spots on the barn floor that become portals to Hades.
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10/03/07, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TJN66
Will you be also feeding the cat/kitten? Im thinking that you should do so. Its a hard life for a cat to be outside and some help would not be remiss in the feeding dept.
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Of course I will feed the cat. I don't expect it to survive off mice. That is crazy.
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So... in addition to all this cats do need attention and affection or they will just run away to another home then you have all the expense and work done for nothing. All my cats are inside cats but I did used to let them out until my cat was hit by a car and almost died. Like I said an outdoor cat is living a hard life.
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I like cats just fine. It will get affection. My other children who are not allergic will also play with the cat. I did not know that I needed a disclamer to post what I thought was a simple yes or no answer. I will remember so for any future question I may have however.
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10/03/07, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by donsgal
You've got quite an attitude for somebody that has been on here for just a day. Reading the other replies, I'm not the only one that appeared to be concerned with your lack of apparent interest in the welfare of the cat. Your very question about "banding" him speaks volumes.
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I understand that you love cats. I get it, I really do. My original question was not about my like or dislike for cats. It was simply a question about whether or not I could fix a cat at my farm. I raise many other animals. We do many procedures on them. All of the procedures are common and widely acceptable on these forums. All of my animals are healthy and happy. Had I asked how to properly band a goat, I doubt you would have even taken the time to post a reply. I do not see why I have to be a cold hearted person who is incapable of affection because I asked this question. You do not know me. You have merely read a few of my words.
I have not been here for just one day. Yesterday just happened to be the first day I had a question that I thought some of you fine people might have been able to answer for me. I had been lead to believe that this site was about learning from each-other and gathering support for a lifestyle of choice that sadly is misunderstood or not known of at all in much of the modern society that surrounds us. Maybe, instead of conceiving negative ideas of who I am as a person (completely false I may add), you could instead attempt to investigate why I am asking the question in the first place. A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
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10/03/07, 03:10 PM
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I understand that you love cats. I get it, I really do. My original question was not about my like or dislike for cats. It was simply a question about whether or not I could fix a cat at my farm. I raise many other animals. We do many procedures on them. All of the procedures are common and widely acceptable on these forums. All of my animals are healthy and happy. Had I asked how to properly band a goat, I doubt you would have even taken the time to post a reply. I do not see why I have to be a cold hearted person who is incapable of affection because I asked this question. You do not know me. You have merely read a few of my words.
I have not been here for just one day. Yesterday just happened to be the first day I had a question that I thought some of you fine people might have been able to answer for me. I had been lead to believe that this site was about learning from each-other and gathering support for a lifestyle of choice that sadly is misunderstood or not known of at all in much of the modern society that surrounds us. Maybe, instead of conceiving negative ideas of who I am as a person (completely false I may add), you could instead attempt to investigate why I am asking the question in the first place. A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
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Well said. I apologize.
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10/03/07, 03:19 PM
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I apologize too. This thread needs to end.
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10/03/07, 03:21 PM
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We had a husky mix that was actually a really good mouser. When we moved into a rental it was just infested. Within a month all the mice were gone. I wouldn't have guessed it was our dog except I saw him actually catch and eat a mouse :X
As I watched some inane program on Fox, I saw a mouse crawl up the arm of the sofa. Our dog looked over at it and snapped it up in one bite, with only a tiny bit of the tail hanging out of his mouth. He swallowed the thing whole- fur, bones, tail and all.
Anyway, to your question. I think spaying would probably work best. Outdoor cats can be murder on local song bird populations though, so if you like to feed the birds you might want to consider alternatives, otherwise the birds will feed your cat LOL
I've had really good luck with little live traps. The mice don't come out alive though
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10/03/07, 04:18 PM
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I apologize too. This thread needs to end.
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{{{hug}}}
it has pretty much run it's course, I'd say! Did you ever get an actual answer to your original question, by the way? LOL
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10/03/07, 06:36 PM
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Check around with animal shelters and rescue groups. Also check the low cost spay/neuter clinics. You can some times get feral or barn cats that are neutered or spayed for free or reduced rates because they can't be handled, but the groups want to insure the cats will get homes that provide food and medical care. I got 2 neutered males from the shelter for the reduced rate of$35 each, with rabies shots already done on one of them. While usually the shelter requires the cats are indoor only, they sometimes realize that feral or barns cats will not take to being indoors and will agree to an adoption to even if the cat will be outside in order to ensure the cat gets a home. It will depend on the organization. The local spay neuter clinic called me yesterday about a possible adoption on a barn cat that is unhandable. I gotta call them back. So check around town and get your name and number out there- not all rescue groups are totally unreasonable about keeping the cats inside.
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10/03/07, 10:53 PM
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Stufff the cat's front end in a rubber boot, make 2 slits in the scrotum with a sharp pocket knife, and pull the testicles out. You're done in less than a minute. The cat's more p.o.'d than painful, and you're reasonably intact. Been done that way on our farmstead for 120 years.
OR...
You can:
1. Catch cat.
2. Hold irate cat while you inject local anesthetic into bumm, yourself, and maybe cat's scrotum.
3. Wash and bandage your wounds.
4. Spend 45 or more minutes locating cat.
5. Spend 20 or more minutes catching cat.
6. Make 2 slits in cat's scrotum with sharp pocket knife.
7. Realize that any anesthetic that made it's mark has since worn off.
8. Pull out testicles.
9. Get tetanus booster.
10. Wish you'd skipped steps 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 9.
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10/04/07, 12:09 AM
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Isn't that odd? Our Freecycle is fine with pets, but Craig's List told us we can't post ANY animals because they're based in California, and there is some law there prohibiting advertising animals on the 'Net.
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They aren't actually listed in the "for sale" part, they're in the pet community
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