fixin to get ugly w/ neighbors... advise please

TRAILRIDER · #81 09/26/07, 12:21 PM

Speaking of dogs and kids, ever notice how people are totally unreasonable about BOTH. Anything their child does is okay, (boys will be boys, they're just children etc) doesn't matter if they killed your pet rabbits or burned down your barn. But really you can't shoot em...kids that is

. Like wise people will say my dog was only "playing " with your horses. So what part of my mortgage do you pay? Exactly what percent? You don't work hard to pay for my farm so keep your animals off it, Thank you! Okay, I'm done. This is why I'll never get elected into office...

comfortablynumb · #82 09/26/07, 12:32 PM

there are alot of "hunters" around here who "run dogs" and "pepper them" to "teach them".

"but we loves our dogs (slurp tobacco snuff drool off lip) it dont hurt em none! its just a lil sting!"

oh, puh-lease.

yeah I am a bit on edge from dealing with some of these ignorant hicks around here lately..... sorry.

JayinCT · #83 09/26/07, 01:56 PM

What ever happened to pouring out the shot from a shotgun shell and filling it back up with ice melt or rock salt? I myself shoot to kill, but if one wanted to pepper or sting an animal without killing it, that's what I would consider.

MWG · #84 09/26/07, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by trappmountain

Wouldn't a shock collar for your dog been a lot more humane! I think there are many other ways better than shooting your own dog. Anything could have happenned.

Had a shock collar on my dog. Can't afford to put them on the neighborhood dogs nor would that be acceptable to their owners.

I thought of several things to try before shooting my dog. Scolding, using welded wire instead of chicken wire, adding a 2X4 on the bottom, burying the 2X4 after they dug under it, shock collar, and just about everything else.

After 35 chicken were killed I shot them with rat shot. I would do it again, it worked and I didn't have to kill any dogs.

I don't think comparing disiplining your children and keeping dogs from killing your live stock is in the same category.

comfortablynumb · #85 09/26/07, 02:20 PM

embedded rock salt is intensely painful in a wound.

doesnt anyone train dogs properly anymore?

RandB · #86 09/26/07, 05:43 PM

Wow, lots of replies here! But bear in mind, Dana said she can't afford anything expensive, she already tried electric line, and there isn't an animal control officer.
First, in my own personal experience, I don't think a LGD would work so well for poultry. They are great with sheep and goats, but not many dogs learn to protect birds. Ditto for a donkey. She might as well just turn her own great danes loose at night, as long as they can't get into the poultry pen.
That idea about laying chicken wire on the ground all around the pen sounds pretty good, especially for short-legged lil buggers like dachshunds. If the wire could be about an inch above the ground, and tight enough that they can't bend it down flat, I think that would keep them away pretty well. Maybe you could make low wood frames and nail the wire to it, to make it more sturdy.
Also the paintball idea isn't bad, if you have kids that are into paintball. If you could shoot and mark them with paint, there is your proof that they were on your property. Other than that, you will need pictures somehow. Sounds like you should talk to a lawyer, and try to take them to court, that is a pretty big loss of $$$, especially if you already had orders placed. Good luck, it is a shame you have to go through this.

mtman · #87 09/26/07, 07:48 PM

a year ago the old man down the road died his son got his land he put it up for sale while it was on the market we had a hard time with his dogs killing chickens running our calfs and our pigs
we saw the dogs grabbing our chickes and kept telling him about it the dogs kept running into the woods couldnt get a shot,well after months of this i went up to his house and shot it there ,now if you can put up with the law as i can it is a fool proof cure

Raptor · #88 09/26/07, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hac238

The Only Advice I Will Give You Is --if You Kill The Dogs(anyway You Can) And Hope They Stay In The Pen--collect The Dogs And Quietly Take Them And Get Rid Of Them Discreetly. Count The Absence Of The Killers As Your Reward And A Lesson Learned. Dogs Dead-dogs Disappear-i Know Nothing

Yup,best advice here so far. Kill them and get rid of them. Talking to the neighbors or anyone else might just get you on the wrong side of a lawsuit. Oh and shoot to kill. Nothing worse than wounding an animal. ANY ANIMAL !

tamsam · #89 09/26/07, 08:24 PM

I have seen some kids that need a good shot of rat shot to get their attention. Spare the rod and spoil the child. Nope not here as the jails and prisons are full of those who had no but warmings growing up. Yep you got it no pain no listen. I hate to go into any store when school is out as it is usually full of loud, pushy, and demanding kids that tell their parents what to do. Most states it is against the law to spank a kid so they should make it a law that you can protect yourself against them in public however you can when they shove a shopping cart into you or try to push you out of the way to get to the candy or coke counter while Mom is saying stop. Same with dogs if the owners can't control them what are we to do. Maybe some of us can't spend thousands on fences. I can't and I will protect my animals in what ever way posible. If I catch a dog, cyote, bear or even sombody bothering our animals they will most likely be shot. Now the person will most likely be held at gunpoint till the law arrives if they are fast enough. This country is going to the dogs any ways so I guess we are sosposed to work for what we got then let someones dogs kill it all off and do nothing so all the do gooders won't have anything to gripe about. That is my story and I am sticking to it. Sam And yes when I was a kid we shot people with bird shot when we caught them stealing chickens or feed

TxCloverAngel · #90 09/26/07, 09:05 PM

what kind of Dog is Sally?

trappmountain · #91 09/26/07, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MWG

Had a shock collar on my dog. Can't afford to put them on the neighborhood dogs nor would that be acceptable to their owners.

I thought of several things to try before shooting my dog. Scolding, using welded wire instead of chicken wire, adding a 2X4 on the bottom, burying the 2X4 after they dug under it, shock collar, and just about everything else.

After 35 chicken were killed I shot them with rat shot. I would do it again, it worked and I didn't have to kill any dogs.

I don't think comparing disiplining your children and keeping dogs from killing your live stock is in the same category.

Ummmm, I don't use shock collars on my kids

. I did not compare disciplining my children to changing an unwanted dog behavior. I just think your method is very dangerous, you could have killed your dog accidently, or he could have gotten infections, As for the neighbors dogs, that is a whole nother story!

TxCloverAngel · #92 09/26/07, 09:09 PM

wanna hear something really odd??
when the deputy was out here taking yet another report...
he told me.. Do NOT trap the dogs. That's theft!! On MY property!! its theft!!
AND animal trapping is illegal. LOL

he said shoot em .. kill em and take pictures....

Its just too funny...

sure kill em all....
Just don't put em in a cage lol

comfortablynumb · #93 09/26/07, 10:22 PM

well take em out of the cage once you shoot em..

if they are nice doxies, take em a good way away and sell the little buggers.

or, I hear they taste like chicken.

they should actually taste like turkey now.

copperkid3 · #94 09/26/07, 11:43 PM

You could get them professionally "stuffed" after the deed is done and set them up in the house; either have a piece of plate glass cut to size and use them to support your new coffee-doxxie table or place them on either end of a long couch as end tables!!! Invite the "late" owners over for tea and crumpets........at the very least, they should make interesting "conversation pieces".......

CoonXpress · #95 09/27/07, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Yup,best advice here so far. Kill them and get rid of them. Talking to the neighbors or anyone else might just get you on the wrong side of a lawsuit. Oh and shoot to kill. Nothing worse than wounding an animal. ANY ANIMAL !

From the Texas Health and Safety Statutes and Codes;

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§ 822.013. Dogs or Coyotes That Attack Animals

(a) A dog or coyote that is attacking, is about to attack, or has recently attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may be killed by:

(1) any person witnessing the attack; or

(2) the attacked animal's owner or a person acting on behalf of the owner if the owner or person has knowledge of the attack.

(b) A person who kills a dog or coyote as provided by this section is not liable for damages to the owner, keeper, or person in control of the dog or coyote.

(c) A person who discovers on the person's property a dog or coyote known or suspected of having killed livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may detain or impound the dog or coyote and return it to its owner or deliver the dog or coyote to the local animal control authority. The owner of the dog or coyote is liable for all costs incurred in the capture and care of the dog or coyote and all damage done by the dog or coyote.

(d) The owner, keeper, or person in control of a dog or coyote that is known to have attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowls shall control the dog or coyote in a manner approved by the local animal control authority.

(e) A person is not required to acquire a hunting license under Section 42.002, Parks and Wildlife Code, to kill a dog or coyote under this section.

If they file suit against you, that is a good thing. They then will not be able to deny the dogs when you file a counter suit damages.(might be able to go for double/treble damages)

comfortablynumb · #96 09/27/07, 03:11 AM

oooooo thats a good one.

CoonXpress · #97 09/27/07, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by comfortablynumb

oooooo thats a good one.

CN, for a few years I worked ADC on a few ranches around OKC, Piedmont and Kingfisher Ok. A few of the owners were lawyers and judges, and I was able to learn some dirty underhanded legal tricks.

Will

CGUARDSMAN · #98 09/27/07, 07:32 AM

(c) A person who discovers on the person's property a dog or coyote known or suspected of having killed livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may detain or impound the dog or coyote and return it to its owner or deliver the dog or coyote to the local animal control authority. The owner of the dog or coyote is liable for all costs incurred in the capture and care of the dog or coyote and all damage done by the dog or coyote.

sounds like the deputy is wrong about the trapping. as stated in the above code.

TxCloverAngel · #99 09/27/07, 07:32 AM

Thanks!

fantasymaker · #**100** 09/27/07, 11:18 AM

do these people have money enough t pay if ya win??

I am a Professional killer of livestock killing dogs

rates fom $ 10,000 payable after collecting in court.