fixin to get ugly w/ neighbors... advise please

$45 each and 70 of 'em? Time to INVEST in game cameras. Find a hunter that'll let you USE his for a couple weeks. If someone came to my home and removed $3,150 from my piggy bank, they would be in some trouble!

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We double fence for predator control and run our dogs between the perimeter fence (7 strand high tensile with 4 hot wires) and the high security night pasture (woven wire).

It would take a mighty bold predator to get from the outer fence line to the inner pasture where we lock the livestock at night (and when we aren't home). Livestock are only allowed into the outer pasture when we are home so we can intervene if anything were to happen.

The outer pasture has a part that comes right up to the back of the house and the animals are used to running back to the house and raising a ruckus if something odd happens in the big pasture.

The night pasture is in sight and hearing range from the house. If we hear anything odd the first thing we do is send dogs out to secure the perimeter.

We call our set-up "Donut fencing". Fence on the outside encloses 15 acres. Dogs running the donut part. High security livestock pen is the 1 - 2 acre donut hole.

Lynda

P.S. Our loser neighbors take lousy care of their dog and if we ever had the chance to SSS it they'd have another unruly dog the next day. And we've got packs of strays running the area as well. The only way to keep them out is to have that outer donut area and a couple of large dogs who are trained to patrol their turf and guard their home and livestock. Dogs, kids, and neighbors aren't about to cross that fence to see how friendly our dogs are.

Another idea - if you don't want to SSS, but you want to send a message to the owners.

Get your kids paintball guns and set them up on guard duty. Have them take shifts if they need to. Make them a pizza or two and give them plenty of coca-cola. Have them blast the dog when it breaches the fence.

Then -

Call the dog warden and have them go see the painted dogs.
Tell the owner you could have shot their dog, but you were nice.
Fix your fence.
Repeat if necessary.

If this is happening every 2 weeks, don't wait for them to schedule their next turkey killing party. Bait them in and paintball them. You've even got a full moon over the next few days to make it easier for you.

Lynda

believe it or not.... we have no animal control dept or officer in our county! grrrrr

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Heavy gauge smooth wire, three strands set LOW. Hook up in series, and add two real ground rods of solid copper, hook up to a good fence charger. I bet you could do this for under $30, especially if you ask around about an extra charger....I would get the old fashioned kind that is not a pulsing type-you want those lines HOT all the time, period.

If you can't get big joules at the ends of your runs, let the hose trickle at the ground rods for about five hours, for a couple days. Works like a charm

In my neck of the woods, this never would have gotten so far, we too SSS.

Why bother with a charger
just unplug the wire when you of the kids are outside

Electric wire, very hot, stung between their house and the chickens/turkeys, at your property line. String hot dogs on short pieces of hot wire, and hang them from the wire. Push one one and bend the end. Get the ground under the wieners soaking wet. Make sure the hanging wire connections are tight wrap. Lots of piping hot wieners for those wiener dogs!

Someone on here said they did this for coyotes all around their property line, and it works. Good luck! And sorry you lost those birds.

someone needs to shoot you with one.
Beat your wife lately too?

seriously, you gotta be kidding me.

ugh.

I know that this is a dumb question but I am very new to all this. What is SSS?

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thats when you kill the neighbors dog, bury it and deny everything.

what are you talking about here? He peppered a dog instead of killing it... I would not have sent any dog other than my own the SAME message!
I would have killed not pepper'ed it.
If it was my own dog it would get 3 strikes (pepper'ed) then delt with extreme prejudice. If it was a stray dog, it got one warning, (not killed on site) a good one and a humane/firm one.
Case closed

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Lol... now that made me laugh and I agree... I would be a firm believer is the sss way after one warning to the owners. I would be banging on the neighbor's door at the arse crack of dawn) saying something is killing my stock. Im getting ready to trap then so you might want to keep you dogs inside. Oh..and the traps are baited with some nasty stuff lol... then what happens happens.

I dont have livestock but I have a dog and 3 cats..if something was killing/harming them its all out to catch 'em and make sure they dont hurt anything else...one warning to the owners then thats it. Then its the sss way

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The Only Advice I Will Give You Is --if You Kill The Dogs(anyway You Can) And Hope They Stay In The Pen--collect The Dogs And Quietly Take Them And Get Rid Of Them Discreetly. Count The Absence Of The Killers As Your Reward And A Lesson Learned. Dogs Dead-dogs Disappear-i Know Nothing

having dug infected buckshot and ratshot out of dogs before, that doesnt really impress me.
kill it, or dont shoot it.
wounding the dog to "teach it a lesson" is....

well if I go off farther chuck may loose all mercy for me.
so I will bite my tongue.

I think your post speaks for itself without my help.

"peppered"

sounds so... harmless doesnt it?

a light flesh wound, what a loving master.

Let's see...

The neighbors still have their dog, I still have my dog and neither of them have eaten any of the chickens since getting "peppered". So I solved my problem which is the same one being discussed here.

I guess your solution would have resulted in a bunch of holes in the yard and no dogs in the neighborhood, including your own. Not to mention you probably would have had some angry neighbors / lawsuits. Nice work.

BTW, I took the shells and told the neighbors what I was doing and that I was going to shoot them the next time they were in my yard. One person locked their dog up and the other replied, "shoot him."

If loving master means I don't go directly to killing animals instead of using the brains God gave me to try to find a solution without killing them then I guess I am a loving master.

buckshot and rat shot wounds, and it isnt a bright way to train any animal.

train your kids that way of its so harmless and effective.

Wouldn't a shock collar for your dog been a lot more humane! I think there are many other ways better than shooting your own dog. Anything could have happenned.

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Before peppering a dog with the intention to harm but not kill, you might want to check the laws in your area. I had a dog problem one time and called the county dog catcher and was told that since they get out of the towns infrequently, it would likely be in my best interests to simply shoot the dog but to make very sure I shot to kill because if the dog were to be injured, I could be on the receiving end of an animal abuse charge.

I don't think an LGD. These are the neighbor's dogs, and your LGD is going to accept them as part of the general pack. LGD's have a pretty large sense of territory. Although, there are a couple that are aggressive and might take the hotdogs out, you may not want such an aggressive dog. A donkey will kill a dog. The only lamb I ever lost to a dog was the night I had moved the donkeys to another pen, and they're miniatures.