Hickman County Illeagal to build with green Lumber

How do you NOT submit to it? This isn't the same as refusing to get an inspection sticker for your car. They can come tear your house down, even if it's been standing for 20 years with no problem. And the fines for building something without a permit run into the thousands of dollars (at least in my area). Got kids? You put them in a house the state doesn't approve of, they can take them from you and put them into foster care under the guise of protecting them from your "neglectful" self. Homesteaders should be exceptionally wary ... there is nothing the government fears more than someone who knows how to take care of himself.

That said, if I've got a remote enough piece of property and you can't see the house from the road, then I'm probably not going to care about the zoning. It's all going to depend on the county and the way they do things there. In Kentucky you can pretty much build anything you want, anywhere you want. In Southern California you're lucky if you can put two sticks together without a permit and an inspection.

THERE IS NO GREEN LUMBER!

If thats the only requirement you are gold! Ive worked in a sawmill before and done the grading.(boy oh boy 2 days training)
If you look around the industry you will see the ultra premium high dollar wood is air dried ,kiln dried is a cheaper weaker damaged product.
Your wood is stacked and left to dry right? its air dried! OK maybe it hasn't reached as dry as you want it but it will never hit a fixed moisture value so unless they have a standard its good.




Hay point your views are held by a lot of people ,the building industry would like you to think this way and they spend a lota bucks .hint at it but never come out and say it.

Thats cause only a very tiny few boards have ever been tested. I'm talking on the order of one or 2 dozen boards a year IN THE WHOLE USA!
Whats common is for aboard to be graded that means it LOOKS like a good board
ASK Rose2005 what her engineer did, Ill bet a dollar to a donut thats what he did. IF he was very contentious he may have stuck a moisture meter in a few boards
As for a board snapping that is a possibility from a pile of lumber from the lumberyard too!
If you carefully read the national code I think you will find the owner builder occupier can do pretty much what he wants at least this was true a few years ago.( like most Ive read it once and just listen for changes)

SIGH!! If you believe that then they have you just where they want you.. Its always easier to beg for forgiveness than to get permission.

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Sorry to hear the folks in your neck of the woods are being so obstinate.

I used a lot of lumber sawed off the farm to build my house and garage. The floor joist and siding were all cut here (and some other stuff too). I did let mine dry at the rate of 6 months per inch of thickness, and I did have it planed. I think the inspectors never looked twice since it was planed.

As an aside, I had to cull 40% of my first batch of "store bought" framing lumber. After that, I took the trailer to Home Depot and hand picked the rest of it. It took some time, but I'm satsfied I saved money and got much better quality "stuff".

If you can tell the difference between oak and pine, and know how to see a large knot in a board, obviously you have the skills needed to grade your own lumber! All individuals building a home for themselves have higher standards than big contractors do. If you know how to do it and can do it with your own lumber, just do it and don't worry about it! Unless your building site is within view of the road, by the time "they" find out about it you'll be done! We have built everything on this farm with our own lumber products, without permits, and it is just as strong or stronger than anything "code approved"! Don't believe me? Come and see several of our old barns built 100+ years ago with pine poles....just round poles 4" diameter, not even debarked! I can trot all over those roofs without a bounce! One shed has 12 foot long 2x4 rafters rough cut spaced FOUR FEET apart! It's still there after 75+ years, though it does have a bit of sag in the middle! Years of snow accumulation hasn't collapsed it yet, because unlike store bought stuff, these are straight grain with NO knots. And real 2x4s!

Why was the code framing spacing changed to 16" from 20" and 24" prior to 1950s? Because modern lumber has half the strength of the old stuff. Floor joists are now allowed to have 3" knots in them! And it's code approved! A 3" knot in a 2x10 means you have a 2x7 strength (really 1,1/2 by 6,1/2). Take a store bought stud and slam it against the ground...chances are it'll split or break at a knot. I'll take the old rough cut any day!

I have seen what people build with in Hickman County. I don't know why green lumber would be bad by comparison. Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Wish you were closer, we'd do business on some lumber. Seems like most warping is due to negligence, usually mis-stacked or used too wet. I use all rough cut here, oak sometimes, mostly poplar since it is easier to work and resists the bugs better. I do like the lowes/home depot 2x4 for roof purlins, they lay well enough on the poplar rafters, and being planed the metal seems to layl better. I wish you luck in Hickman, I'm going on a building tear starting this weekend to get those buildings under paint. New building? With recycled siding it will be 'why no sir, that buildings been there 40 years'.

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I think stupid laws are made to be broken.....

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Urban building inspectors are crazy.

Out here nobody knows what you build and nobody cares.

We use any kind of wood that is available.

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Um, If you cut the trees, saw them, build it. They lose taxes on the boards. Local people aren't employed to help sell. load it in your truck,ect. And they don't know you built it so can't tax it or make you get permits to build it. Unless they stumble on it, somehow.
Just my seeing it like it do.

I have one neighbor about two miles South of me that has his own sawmill. Nobody is taxing his wood, and nobody is inspecting the lumber that he makes.

My neighbors to the North buy their lumber from some guy who cuts his own lumber from the next town over. Again it is a lumberyard ran by one man, with no inspectors and no taxes.

That was my biggest fear when we moved from Vermont where we had no building permits or inspectors to worry about. I had to get a permit to put a fence across the front of my property this past week.....The inspector asked why I needed a fence there and when I told him that it was to keep the school kids from crossing my property he said "are you sure you just want wood? I can issue a permit for barbed wire"

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Little hard to get away with here with aerial maps and all. I know a neighbor who tried to pull that and ended up with 1 year in the county jail.
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I don't know of anybody around here going to jail here for building any barns or sheds. Don't know that anybody really cares, one of the good points of living in the country in an ag. area. Another good thing is folks wanting the new metal buildings and just giving away the old wooden barns. I like the feel of the wood buildings better than metal.

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I hear alot about people actin like "Yankees" and sticking their noses where it doesn't belong.......But then we hear about the very restrictive laws in southern states that northern states don't seem to have???

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I do not know about that.

From my observation, the difference is more about population density. Not so much North or South, East or West.

My township has a population density of around 9 people per square mile.

Now I do not see how they get 9, from my house if I draw out one mile in every direction, that would be nearly four square miles, and I would encompass my house and two other houses. A total of 6 adults and one child. But the 2000 census says that overall our township works out to 9 people per square mile density.

I think that when you get to areas where they are more heavily populated, then you get more regulations.

I think that it is a urban / rural thing.

FYI...the war is over.

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So long as you are willing to pay twice the price for that wood stick structure, great!

I built out of steel as it is so much cheaper.

I don't care about north/south devision....and I am pretty sure that the area of TN they are talking about is rural.....probably less than 9 people per sq mile.... I grew up in Vermont which is rurul by Boston's standards, but have lived in 9 states since and find the laws to be more restrictive (regardless of population density) in "southern states". Taxes are higher too Its just an observation as I have been refered to as a "---- yankee" on more than one occassion within the past few years and I sorta take offence to it.

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At least their seems to be one thing nice about living in PA.
Here you can build any ag. structure regardless of size without an inspection. However you are to get a permit if it's larger than a garage (I think it's 250 sq ft.). The permit is to make sure of set backs and such. So we like to build lots of small buildings.