Water Witching

Actually...You did say you could divine water:

As to your chicken experiment, every good experiment requires impartial controls, which I'm afraid neither of us can provide. We can find a scientist (or a group of them) to design an experiment, and they'll run it. We put the money in escrow and let the results decide. You can call me a chicken until you're blue in the face, but it seems kind of silly since I've taken up your challenge a number of times already.

I said I could find water LINES.

I can buy the gold ingots tomorrow.

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Odds still scare you? How about 200 buckets of sand?

Random odds are enormously in your favor.

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http://vvi.onstreammedia.com/cgi-bin...Beyond+Science

Can you do better than this guy?

Look...the only reason you're still harping on this gold thing so much is because you know I can't just show up at your house. I assure you you're quite right--the odds are overwhelmingly in my favor. I would certainly make out with my own gold, and much of yours, too.

This is silly. We both know your methods can't be proven scientifically, as hundreds of studies have shown. If they could be, you guys would all be rich.

If you're interested in an actual scientific experiment, then let's do it. Otherwise, give it up.

You said you would be returning to the states. I will travel to any of the continental United States to fulfill my end of the bargain.

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I'll be back in Canada next summer. Maine work for you?

I've always wanted to see Maine.

Any Maine folks here interested in acting as a judge for this little endeavor?

Theres got to be a way to work a New England Clam bake into this deal....

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I'll take part of that bet if I know the witching party really has the hands for it. I saw it happen too many times. I just never could feel it, bit I sure seen Uncle Bucks peach tree limbs bend down plenty of times.
I think it's like someone here said, that every living thing has an electrical current in it. I truely beleive that it's according to what your personal current is, as to wheather you can do it or not.
I know uncle buck spotted wells for us that we hit water many feet shorter than the wells near by.
So anybody that thinks it crazy, think on is all I can tell you.
But a word to the wise. I wouldn't bet any money against a man that has done it before. I would bet you will loose. JMHO
Dennis

I'd be willing to help set the standards and control on the experiment. To do it correctly would most likely get very expensive. We might be able to find some financial help by contacting say the Discovery Channel, if we do I really would like to be involved.

Here are some quick thoughts:

You'd have to witch and drill at least 10 wells, more would be better, over a wide range, again the wider the better.

Unless the witcher is saying he can ALWAYS find water you'd have to have a local professional well driller to come into the same area and drill the same number of wells then compare the success rates.

It the above is the case how much better would the witcher's rate have to be to 'prove' his ability? It would be impossible to statistically prove with the small number of wells we are talking about.

What if the witcher and the professional well driller picked the same spot to drill?

The witcher would have to be isolated in some way to assure that he was not using visual clues from the geography. Seeing as how he couldn't do it blindfolded you'd have to come up with some kind of portable blind.

Of course the witcher could not have any info on the area before hand.

What would be the minimum water flow/refill/pump down rate to qualify a hole as a well?

What's the maximum drilling depth allowed?

And these are just the problems and questions that popped into my mine in a few minutes of thought and I'm not a professional well driller, hydrogeologist [I looked that up ] or witcher. Please keep me up to date on this.

Actually, some of the experiments designed to test water dowsing have been remarkably simple to run. In one (the Munich Experiment) they simply took a two-story barn and used it.

From Wikipedia:

"The scientific study[7] of dowsing in Munich, Germany was performed in 1987 to 1988 and involved more than 500 dowsers in more than 10,000 double-blind tests.[1]

Five hundred dowsers were initially tested for their "skill", and the experimenters selected the best 43 among them. These 43 were then tested in the following way. On the ground floor of a two-story barn, water was pumped through a pipe; before each test, this pipe was moved in a direction perpendicular to the water flow. On the upper floor, each dowser was asked to determine the position of the pipe."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing#Munich

Unfortunately, unless one or more of the dowsers on the list is interested, there will be no water dowsing experiment. The "Gold in a Hay Field Experiment" seems to be taking shape though.

I have successfully used dowsing rods to find water and sewer lines. My husband can too, he taught me.

I'd be willing to help set the standards and control on the experiment. To do it correctly would most likely get very expensive. We might be able to find some financial help by contacting say the Discovery Channel, if we do I really would like to be involved.

Here are some quick thoughts:

You'd have to witch and drill at least 10 wells, more would be better, over a wide range, again the wider the better.

Unless the witcher is saying he can ALWAYS find water you'd have to have a local professional well driller to come into the same area and drill the same number of wells then compare the success rates.

It the above is the case how much better would the witcher's rate have to be to 'prove' his ability? It would be impossible to statistically prove with the small number of wells we are talking about.

What if the witcher and the professional well driller picked the same spot to drill?

The witcher would have to be isolated in some way to assure that he was not using visual clues from the geography. Seeing as how he couldn't do it blindfolded you'd have to come up with some kind of portable blind.

Of course the witcher could not have any info on the area before hand.

What would be the minimum water flow/refill/pump down rate to qualify a hole as a well?

What's the maximum drilling depth allowed?

And these are just the problems and questions that popped into my mine in a few minutes of thought and I'm not a professional well driller, hydrogeologist [I looked that up ] or witcher. Please keep me up to date on this.

Like I said, I grew up drilling wells. There were two ways to drill a well back then. One was as you call it, witching which as I also have said, my uncle Buck did.
The other was to drill where it fit the building lot best ( actually when I was drilling most of the wells we drilled was when some one finally could afford to have a well drilled after living where ever they were for many years with no water and an out house) and after so deep if you didn't hit water you blasted it.
Uncle Doyle is the one that got my daddy into drilling wells to start with but he learned how to do it pretty fast I guess.
He worked in the mill and did this as a side line. He really just bought the machine to keep Uncle Doyle working. Any way they both taught me to drill wells.
Well Uncle Doyle didn't believe in witching.
He drilled it mainly where ever it was the easiest to set the machine up at. Which with the old churn drill rigs was really the hardest part of drilling a well. After you got it set up and cased out it was boring. I have went to sleep many a time laying in the truck seat waiting to hear it hit a miss lick meaning it needed bailing out, or cleaning out the cuttings from the rock you were drilling in.
Any way I remember Buck giving Doyle several wells to drill and they didn't do that. Finding wells to drill wasn't easy back then. But if Buck would walk the property and couldn't find water he wouldn't drill it. He always gave them to Uncle Doyle.
We would drill it down as deep as U Doyle thought was good and the next morning we would stop and get a stick of dynamite and a blasting cap. Sometimes 2 sticks, and I rememeber one time he blasted with 2 sticks and went back and got 4 sticks the next morning. I'll never forget that day as long as I live. Blew the back window out of the truck the well machine was on, I think it was the passagers side window out of daddy's pickup truck, and I do forget how many windows we put back in the poor womans house.
As a mater of fact, That's when I learned how to cut glass. LOL.
That was Uncle Doyle's top secret. He told me I don't know how many times not to tell Buck about blasting a well. He wanted Buck to think he was wrong about witching it and he was just a better driller than Buck was. It was like a competition back then.
On the other hand, Uncle Buck was scared to death of dyamite. From what I heard growing up, Buck blew up his truck with it and never fooled with it again.
And all the drillers I knew that did blast wells couldn't hear worth a nates a**.
But I never knew of Uncle Doyle haveing a dry well except one that he lost the tools in. The cable broke and he couldn't fish them out. He lost tools in one well and blasted it and got water any way.
So you can take it for what it's worth. I grew up watching them argue about witching and I know when uncle Buck said there wasn't water on the lot, Uncle Doyle brought out the dynamite. I remember that as good as any thing in the world and that's been something like 45 years ago when I started learning to drill.
Just a little skinney kid, but I learned from what I concider to be best there was back then.
Has anyone here been around blasting, for tree stumps or whatever??

well no one has to believe me, any more than they have to believe in anything. when i was small, i could close my eyes and let myself "drift" then i would open my eyes and jsut let my feet go where they wanted to go about 80% of the time it was to a water line or an old well that only the old ones knew were there cause no one had used it in many many years and it was filled in. i cant do that now but i can find water lines using a couple of bent wires. like i said no one has to believe me i just did it for fun as a child. am i a water witch? no... more i feel things around me.

dean

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Nothing creepy about dowsing....I have used dowsers to find springs in stream beds with success. I don't know why you would need to sex chicks in such away or that it would work.

Some species are extremely hard to vent sex or are so delicate that vent sexing can damage them. Turkeys would be a good example.

It does work.

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Have I stumbled in to the General Chat forum? It was not intentional, going back to my ward now.

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My FIL can find water easily, he uses 2 wires or sometimes he can use willow twigs. My husband is unable to do this but his sister can. So, I guess it's not always inherited.

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What is the reason for sexing chicks on the homestead anyway? The sex will be known once they molt and than you either put them in the freezer or leave them with the flock. maybe just curiosity.

I think dowsing is based in science, it is just unproven because any research that has been done on it has looked at a group of people who claim to be able to do it and then they prove that there is not a 100% success rate......They need to come at it from a different approach..... Sceptics say that the majority of the earth has a water table under it, so there is a pretty good chance of finding water where ever you dig...... However..... I think it is like a voltage meter and registers the higher concentrations of water under the ground.....In the north east it is common prctice to sink a well into the spring of a stream bed and to find those springs dowsers are used.....The stream bed has water in it, but there are only so many places where a spring leaches water from the water table into the stream bed......those are the places that the dowser finds.