airplanes & helicopters!!

I hate to tell you this but it sounds like your problem is with law enforcement. You may know there is no pot on your place but they dont. I have had this problem on my place with helicopters. How low do they hover? Low enough to flatten the crops.At times less than 5' ,how low do they need to be to do an effective job of spotting pot? certainly no lower than 500 ' and 2000' is much more effective because you can see so much more area. How do I know? Im a pilot and for most of this time there was a plane parked at my place.
Ive spotted game too and the effective height for that is much the same for the same reasons at 100' you just cant see much territory.

nope about an hour and a half north west of there. does the same thing happen there?

well maybe you didnt hide those pot plants as carefully as you thought?

Ive seen them do what you describe out in fields here, they are checking suspect color variation on their scopes or checking patches they suspect are "plots".

people are very inventive and clever, and souther faces of hedgerows and fencelines are prime spots to grow pot.....

maybe someone is guerrilla growing on your land, go take a walk and see.

try calling the police and complain loudly and a few times a week and get them to fnd out who these flyers are.

from what you describe, I'll bet it snthe local pot patrol and they just are to stupid to know the rules of the sky when to comes to flying over peoples property.

I like that bottle rocket idea. How much do the big fireworks cost. I mean, Mongolian Independence Day must me commemorated. Viva La Ghengis Khan.

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I forgot to add, we USED to have the four-wheeler, motorcycle blight on the weekends around here. A few Fridays of accidently having a box of fence staples spill and scatter with no time to get them picked up till Sunday and they chose elsewhere to ride. But I am at the end of a dead end so I knew there weren't going to be legitimate reason to be driving by.

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Firecrackers are illegal here.

Not sure about the balloon idea, people might just start flying over to see it! :baby04:

Again, the law enforcement choppers and planes are well-marked.

The hunter spotters here swoop in for closer looks all through the season, especially on opening day or the day before. ):

My land is all wide open fields on a slope and my driveway goes around two side of it with my house tall enough to see over the whole area so I would know if someone was growing here without my permission.

No hedges or anything like that here. I have one hay field and one pasture where my horses are turned out. Nowhere to hide anything.

LOL just because you know theres nothing that shouldnt be there doesnt mean that lawenforcement does! besides once ya get the money to go for an airplane or heilicopter ride ya gotta spend it or ya wont get more!

Law enforcement agencys lease small planes (and their pilots) all the time. Just because a plane does not have law enforcement markings on them does not mean that the plane is not being used for law enforcement purposes.

Other governmental agencys also contract pilots to monitor livestock leases or crops. Is there any BLM, Forest service or state grazing leases in your area?

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no, they aint. not all of em.

and not pot spotters.

Stealthy varieties of pot are short small plants, one could grow a dozen right under your nose and if you didnt know what to look for youd never find em.

pot aint just a 15 foot shrub anymore....

get off the puter and go pick up a few gallons of paint and go out in your private fields and paint a few choice words for them. maybe they will get the idea that some ole cranky guy doesnt like them flying over his 50 acres. LIKE GET THE BLANKTY BLANK OUT OF MY AIR SPACE YOU @@@ ** ^ &!+($ THIS IS MY LAND.

We have lots of fly-by's. Some are the pipeline people. Sometimes it's the rancher (we're on open range and they count their cows). My daughter and our dog got buzzed by them one afternoon while walking on our road. She says she had to duck but it probably wasn't that bad. We've had our share of black unmarked helicopters fly over. One hovered by our neighbors house (who was suspected of drug dealing). We even had a paraglider come in. Now how he got way out here I don't know. My dog started looking up at the sky and barking....and there he was. The best one yet is when the rancher came cruising up out of our canyon. I looked out of my bedroom window and there he was. It's a good thing I was dressed I was also told that the county comes around to check and see if you've added new stuff that they can tax you for. They ought to have to drive out here for that!!! lol

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js2743 there was an old dairy barn in my hometown that had some political message painted on their roof one year. They got in trouble for it!! ?

Here the assessors are too broke to hire planes and law enforcement has all their own planes & choppers and they ARE well marked. They don't contract out I don't think. What would be the need? Anyone that watches any aircraft come as low as fiddlefart is describing would be watching suspiciously, marked plane or not!

Fiddlefart,
Your OP posed a situation. The folks here have given, IMO, some good advice, as well as some reasonable explanations for the fly-overs. Yet, you keep saying (paraphrasing here...) "no, no, NO!". You tell us we don't understand. You sound very difficult to please and unwilling to stop stamping your foot long enough to actually make a phone call or two and take some action!

Maybe someone knows how "pleasant and fun" you are so they arise from their beds every morning with the thought, "Hey, think I'll buzz Fiddlefart's place today just to say hello!". I know I would!

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Wow that wasn't very neighborly. Fiddlefart came here asking how to report problem pilots, not WHY those pilots thought they should be buzzing her place. Although there were lots of helpful, albeit unsolicited, possible explanations for their behavior, that's not what fiddlefart was asking about and to insult fiddlefart for her insistance that those issues are not relevant to her situation is not very helpful or friendly.

Fiddlefart I feel your pain. I grew up in a small coastal community where float planes landed CONSTANTLY just outside my windows. They were VERY loud and often you'd have several seconds where you could hear NOTHING but the planes' engines! Made it hard to watch television, talk on the phone, or have any sort of meaningful conversation at times!

Ah, that's it then. The road is coming off of a corner and going up a hill. I don't know why they pick this road anyway. The pavement literally ends in front of my house and turns into "county maintenance", which in Poor-As-Dirt Illinois translates to "washed out dirt road".

And I bet it's the pot patrol out looking for their next big bust. It's probably that other post you made asking about hydroponics that turned them on to you.

Seriously, if your field isn't covered in corn then they think you're growing pot. All things are legal in the government's crusade against the devil weed, you know. They don't have to obey the safety rules while they're busy saving us all from ourselves.

Anyone flying too low overhead is going to get a good luck at a pale part of this farmer's posterior. But that's about as far as I'll take it. More trouble than it's worth to complain to the government about what is probably the government's actions. Not too many other folks can afford to joyride in their planes these days, what with the price of aero fuel.

Not really a true statement. Your land boundaries extend from the earth center to the outer edge of the atmosphere. If you believe that you don't own the air above the land do you spend most of your time tunneling?

This is valuable property as well as evidenced by the District of Columbia selling off the airspace over the main train depot starting at I believe 80 feet above the surface.

I might recommend getting the tail numbers of the plane, determining the owner and sending by registered mail an offer to lease this airspace for say $50,000 per annum, offer to be accepted simply by flying over. Your offer, their acceptance, the annual time frame and their consideration would form the basis for an interesting contract. Have a camera ready to record their acceptance.

I love it. turns out ol tex is just as hard headed as i am when it comes to protecting his property

rather it is planes or rapturs we dont put up with it do we ol pal

In the US that's simply not true. To quote the SCOTUS: once ownership "extended to the periphery of the universe . . . But that doctrine has no place in the modern world."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights

Wikipedia has a very concise and short summary, and the case that set this in motion was US vs Causby, and a summary is available here:

http://law.jrank.org/pages/13646/Uni...-v-Causby.html

While Causby actually won the case, the interpretation has been very strict. In years since 1946 the act that was passed into law states (wikipedia):

As you can see by the links provided the FAA interprets that as 500 feet. You may disagree, but that doesn't really matter.

On the subject of mineral rights, you may want to verify you actually own them. Sometimes they've been sold, especially in areas of oil, gas, or coal by prior land owners. When the mining company shows up with digging equipment you might be surprised what they can legally do. (see Hunt Oil Co vs Kerbaugh) Alas we digress.

Now, with respect to what hoofinitnorth said 2 points:

1. fiddlefart complained about planes that are bothering her. Several replies told her what was allowed or and what wasn't. None the less, it wasn't what she wanted to hear. She knows what she can do and how to work through the problem if she so desires. None the less, she's indicated that she would rather take justice into her own hands and try and kill the pilots and passengers. Yes, helium balloons while less dangerous than getting shot at can easily become entangled on the control surfaces and lead to a crash. Keep in mind passengers maybe some guy from town or the guys 8 year old daughter.

2. You grew up in a small coastal community where a lot of places are serviced by float plane. People and communities really on air travel and supplies to get by, angel flights for medical treatment, etc. It really doesn't matter if it was Alaska, the west coast or anywhere, there's still a lot of out of the way places that can only be serviced by float plane. I'm sorry they interrupt your TV time...

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