airplanes & helicopters!!

We get the occasional small plane or jet from the air base, but the worst is the helicopter that criss-crosses for over an hour. We figure it's the government looking for pot or meth labs. But everyone around here is as straight as can be. The only person who would have done that moved several years ago.

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Opportunity Farm
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"While we have the opportunity, let us do good to all." Galatians 6:10

It's really kind of sad. Is it really worth taking someone life over? How about two peoples? Most common plane can carry 4 people, one shot can easily kill all 4 of them. Planes have been shot down in the US before, so are you sure it's something you really want to joke about?

Next thing you will be advocating shooting at passing cars with subwoofers that are too loud....

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The low-flying planes are a nuisance, but lately it's the motorcycles. Every weekend when the sun is shining all the Harley folks from the city come cruising down our little country lanes for some rest and "relaxation". It's a constant noise and some of them are so loud they rattle my windows, and I'm a quarter mile from the road.

I like motorcycles as much as the next guy, but enough is enough. I'm the last person you'll ever hear say, "there ought to be a law" but there certainly ought to be some semblance of respect. I don't take my roosters into town for a 5am wake-up call. They ought not bring their muffler-on-wheels out to rev the engine in front of my house.

Shooting at cars. Certainly not. That is what landmines are for.

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I had a horse experience too. Pretty funny, I was riding pens in a KS feedlot. I was on this horse that was (I thought) absolutely unflappable. Here comes a Gruman Agricat to spray the field literally across the fence from the pen. He about made a new crease in my cowboy hat and that old horse just about turned inside out. I just thought it was funny finally finding something that would get a rise out of him.

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Libertarindependent

I disagree that flying anywhere is akin to driving anywhere. If you're driving, you have to respect private property rights, and stop when you see the sign. I have no problems with folks flying several thousand feet up. When they're flying low enough for me to see their grinning teeth, their infringing on my rights. btw... I consider myself owning all of the airspace above my place, out past the van allen belts.

Another one of the freedoms of this land is that you're free to rob any convenience store you choose... however, you might get yourself shot doing so. I've dissuaded several plane and helicopter pilots from the need to ever fly over my place again. One was continuously joyflying in circles over my home, the heli pilots were spraying poisons along a mowed right-of-way... on a day when the company they represented said they shouldn't be flying... Legal on my part, NO! Effective use of 'willing force'....Yes! I contacted the law, and they were worthless... so I showed the heli fools my stainless steel... and they didn't return... found their poison tank trunk and had a civil conversation... they said the poison was safe for animals and drinking water, but for some reason they wouldn't drink the poison when I challenged them on it's 'safety'...

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You go that right. I'd like to go to their place in the city and drive up and down the road with my tractor with the muffler off at the manifold, and see how they'd like that.

Jennifer

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The guy that we bought our land from flies.

His plane has not been registered in over ten years. Talking to other locals this is fairly common around here. None of the locals fly into airports, they use their planes to access their properties and for hunting. Most of these planes keep either floats or skis on their landing gear.

We see planes flying low overhead about everyday. By low I mean, within a couple hundred feet of the treetops.

Land owners commonly use them to survey their woodlots. To plan herbicide spray schedules, and when to harvest their trees.

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Are you by chance near Corbett? I have family there and they are always having helicopters flying over their property. I say call the FAA, but I doubt they may do much.

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Ehh, whatever.

The FAA is very strict about airspace. Depending on how the airspace around your farm is rated, they need to stay 250' above the highest object. However, there are exceptions to this. I would contact the closest airport and talk to the FAA representative for your area and tell them what is going on and find out what the minimum airspace is for where you are. The advice about the aircraft's number was correct as that is the only way to track them down and file a complaint against them.

donsgal

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when they were mapping out the new sewage project here, low flying planes and choppers were a common sight, they were doing airial photography for mapping & survey.

they had drawn out my property on the giant map in the sewer nazi's office, it had a building behind the one house I said there is no building there, they insisted there was.

then I figured it out, that it wasa giant pile of pallets I had burned one winter.... they mistook it as a building.

I also saw a pile of the aerial pics they took.

I was mildly peeved, but apperently its OK for people to fly overhead and take pics of you.

I don't think you guys understand. I have a fairly small parcel by air coverage standards (under 50 acres) and they repeatedly circle VERY low over only MY land. MANY times a day. There are no utilities in this area. NONE. There is no burning to monitor - like I said it's wide open fields (neighbors too) so I can tell if someone is burning for miles away. Law enforcement & fire responders have clearly marked aircraft and these are not them.

I know folks that run an aerial photo shop and they told me they are not allowed to fly as low as the ones I photographed. They are barely over the treetops at times.

My home is near the center of my parcel, there are homes near the centers of their respective lots. I know all the neighbors, who have been here for many years, and none are doing anything up to no good. Most aren't even around year 'round. There are no crops here to dust. Like I said, no legitimate reason for this behavior. The vast majority of the pilots are respectful and do not do this, even on days with low ceilings. There are 3 offenders I've counted so far but 1 is the worst and has been back 4 times the past 5 days (that I have been here to notice).

Thanks for the advice, I will consider it but doubt I will file a complaint based on the pdf link posted here. Unless they do what they did last year and flew SO LOW that they were BELOW my rooftop in the little depression below me (max elevation change of 50 feet based on local topo maps and I do only have a 2-story house).

Fiddlefart, I had helicoptors do that to me when I lived in the Siskiyou mountains. They rode my gulch like a roller coaster, stirring up the wildlife, agitating the bears, and hovering level with my windows. There were several different ones. I had a pilot friend out and he said what they were doing was totally illegal. I called the county sherriff and they told me it was the pot growers flying. BS One helo was marked CHP.

Finally, I went running through my yard and out on my deck stark nekkid. The helicoptor peeled outa there and didn't come back. My house and yard could not be seen from the county road, so it was a total invasion of property.

A couple of months later, an honest deputy told me I was turned in on suspicion of growing pot by the county ag department because I would not let them spray 24D around my well and creekbed or anywhere else on my property, and their initial flight, they saw black pipe run from my upper spring to a holding tank, then down to my house.

I live on a remote airport now, though not in the flightline. My ceiling and their floor is 500 feet. Even the paragliders respect that. This is also military airspace above me and the airport is a landmark and training exercise area, The only violation there was during military joint exercises and a Navy warthog was doing a nosedive toward the runway and disappeared behind the trees. I was already running to my vehicle (with first aid, fire extinguisher and cell phone) when he pulled out and blew the needles off the treetops in my yard. My trees are no more than 60 feet tall!

a tiny airport 10 miles away has a parachuting business flying out of it. parachutists drop while vehicles follow them from below. sometimes the fire department has to be called out because they fall in thick brush. one of the local farmer/rancher is tired of parachutists and the drivers coming onto his properties without permission. so he has taken to shooting at them once they land or filing trespassing charges, depending on his mood. the volunteer fire department is also getting tired of going out to hunt for these folks.

Used to be a gal in this neighborhood who would sunbath in the all together. She got plenty of flyovers................

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Libertarindependent

Are you near a corner in the road? We have lots of Harleys on the road in front of our place but they are up to speed as they pass and it sounds more like planes than motorbikes. I kind of enjoy it. However, my parents looked at some property on the same road just down from us. This section of the road has a zig-zag and the same bikers that pass us at a low rumble absolutely roared when they accelerated away from the corner. It was a deal breaker for my folks.

Are you near Waller?

fiddlefart,
if they're really bugging you and you don't want to go 'nucular' on em, you might go get a bunch of those party balloons filled with helium... and tie long pieces of tin foil on string to the balloons.... a few feet of string, a 'bow-tie' of aluminum, more string, foil, string foil... etc. When you hear them coming, let the balloons go. If the sun's shining, the strips of aluminum foil should reflect light and possibly scare the beejeesus out of em.

Hey, you're celebrating, and you like to let balloons go...

Any bottlerockets handy? I'd be celebrating Mongolian Independence Day!!!

both of these techniques, to my knowledge, are still legal... if someone just happens to be eavesdropping or spying on your festivities, they'd best watch out...

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In England the AAC had a map of nofly homes- where folks had called to complain that they were waking the baby or disturbing the farm animals. Also they were not permitted to overfly the Queen's Stud- guess helicopters put stallions off their business. I hope they updated it- we figured some of the babies were already moved to homes of their own...

Depending on how close the airport is a complaint about it to them might get some action. Many of the airports are doing what they can to passify the people who complain due to lawsuits for noise. Then also get the tail numbers if you can...descriptions if you can't and file a complaint with the FAA for low flying. Unless landing or taking off they are supposed to be 500 ft above the highest obstacle.

Do not pull out a gun on them....the FAA will track you down if a complaint is made.

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