CO2 BB pistols

Cage trap, "Wonder What Happened To Old Blue He Just Disappeared" Musta jus up an RUNNOFT.

Generally speaking, that is excellent advice but I spend more waking hours on or behind a horse than I do anything else and am confident in handling him. Not saying I can't fall or my horse can't spook but if the possibility of untoward events keep us from living life, we might as well already be dead. My horses pay my bills and my provide for my livlihood. I'm not worried about the horse or his reactions. I'm worried about the dog and his reactions. Right now as it is, every time I move on with the horse just ignoring them, the dog "thinks" he has successfully chased us away and only becomes more emboldened on the next pass. As luck would have it, I'll be hauling hay through there for the next couple weeks with the Belgians and the issue may well resolve itself.

Get a souped up paintball gun. It hurts like the dickens and leaves a real good welt at close range. Problem is, most dogs are smart enough to realize when you stop packing it. A good old fashioned .38 would be far more effective, and would likely cost you less.

Pete

When I was a kid working on a Dairy farm me and my ten speed were open targets for every farm dog around. I love dogs but after a dozens attacks I started carring a 30" piece of 1" steel gas pipe. Don't put yourself at risk because of a bad tempered or untrained dog. I'd go with a soft airgun. After they've been smacked once the sight of it will make them put on the breaks. It's sad to say that we are so politically correct that when an animal attacks a person our first response is for the animals "feelings". Shoot the dang thing.

You've made the owners aware and they've done nothing, I would contact the sheriff dept and file a complaint before I would go toting a squirt bottle, bb gun or bazooka...it's not the dogs fault go for the owner of the dogs they should be first on the list....then if it doesn't pan out...lock n load! you'd have given them fair warning.

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I usd to have a sonic training gun for dogs, the problem was it would make my one dog stop dead and cower on the ground, and the other dog didnt seem to hear it at all....

so I tossed it because it was suppose to just get their attention not freak them out, like it did the one dog.

if yo can find one and see if those dogs can hear it, it must be unplesant for them.

My Dad burns their butts with a pump air pellet pistol. That way he can regulate how much force the pellet has. He just uses a couple pumps. Pellets are wider, so they don't penetrate when shot with mild charges.

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Airsoft or paintball gun are both good alternatives to the bb pistol or .22 w/shot. Airsoft would be th least amount of trouble as far as cleaning and such.

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ive dug enough pellets out of dogs and cats to know thats not true.
a dog with thin skin will get hurt and most plinking fools dont shoot real well and hit the eyes and ears.

if the dog is coming at you, and you yell at it to stop and it doesnt, KILL IT.

dont make it mad or wound it, put a .357 slug in its skull.

of course i would have suggested you go next door and get to know the dogs and have thee dogs learn who you are but that alternative often is met with big loud cries of anger.

better yet train your trail horse to kick dogs that nip at their heels or legs. I havnt ridden my geriatric hoss in a long time, but yrs ago when he was young and I was young, I trained him to kick while under saddle when I gave him a hand signal. his was me jambing my thumb into his spine behind the saddle. it took a while to teach, I had a person tickle his hind leg with a lounge whip staff, and traine dhim from there to kick at it.
he kicked at the cue, in time, and not at the whip. I could (probably still can) tell him "HIT!" and he hill strike out with a hind leg.

he never did kick his dog buddy who ran along side him.... he knoew and liked the dog.
he actually would worry and fret over not being able to see the dog if she ran off in the weeds somwhere.

Ive had him kick a few dogs on trail rides. They dont come back.

and yes the dogs can really get hurt but if they nip the horse they need a good kick.

this kind of training is probably not for a novice, you can easily screw it up and end up with a horse that kicks people. it takes alot of time and work to get them to understand the command and when a kick s good and when a kick is BAD.

I suggest the dog mace for the average horse rider.

I train my show horses to do just that. Alot of times in the show pen if you have a better horse than someone else, they will try to block and stay between you and the judge. When the judge aint looking, a well time horse-to-horse warning will give you back your "space". I bought some pepper foam today and tried again to stop in to talk but they wouldn't answer. If he comes around while I am hauling hay, I'll foam him. If he comes back the next time I ride by, I'm going to be done with him. He did nip my horse this morning and took a drill tek shoe to the side of the head but it wasn't a hard kick. Maybe that was enough to train him.

I second the vinegar. We use it to keep the dog quiet while on his leash if we have company. He even sees the bottle and he shuts up and lies down. Has only taken 1 or 2 times.

The kitten has received it once now. She climbed up on the table and got shot in the nose with it. She won't even climb up there anymore. She will climb the benches, but makes no effort to get on the table.

We use apple cider vinegar in a squirt bottle. You could even use it in a water pistol.

Theront

why vinagar, water is enough to startle them...

let the wife squirt you in the eyes with vinegar and see if you like it.

How about a pony which is with you, but unhaltered while you are working your horses. I had a cob who was hell on coyotes and dogs in general.....his favorate pass time was to snooze all day long and when night fell and the coyotes started yelping he would go hunting. In the winter you could follow his trail in the snow and find him in the upper field snoozing, tracks in the snow told the whole story.

I actually like that idea a lot for home use but it probably wouldn't work out on the roads. Maybe I should check into one of those Hackneys. From what I hear, they are all crazed lunatics!!

I apologize to any Hackney owners but most reputations are earned. My vet once told me that is the only animal that scares him to work on and he'd rather collect for an AI from a jack, although when I tried to get him to do just that, I didn't have a deep enough checkbook.

Do you chase horses and nip at their heels?

Pete

They arent SUPPOSED to "like" it. Thats the whole point

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you dont get that vinagar (and ammonia) can damage the dogs eyes, do you?

we are talking about in home training aids.... its stupid. squirt your cat in the head with vinagar to get them off the counter....
yeesh.

defense and training is different.
duh.

I get a little ticked when people do stuff like this. go drip acitic acid on your eye... see how long it takes for your vision to clear.

the cat doesnt need that severe a negitive reenforcement, cold water is plenty.

why use something that carries the punishment on for an hour?

do you squirt your KIDS in the face with vinagar to train them?

oh no? why not?

whats that? it hurts them?

ooohhhhhh..... right.

if the correction you use to train an animal lasts more than a second or 2, your dead wrong using it.

vinagar in the kitten face.... brilliant!

(banging head on table)

do you squirt your KIDS in the face with vinagar to train them? Hair no, My kids are above the level of cats and dogs. you may think a kid is a pig is a dog is a fish,Myself I have no trouble differentiating between humans and animals.

Thats a fine piece of convoluted logic.

I'll restate this one more time for the benifit of those not so..... [?]

if the punishment painlasts more than a few seconds, its to much, and cruel.

let me rephrase the kid thing so you can grasp it;

when you spank your kid do you follow him around the house for an hour whacking him to get your point across or do you stop at one or 2 quick swats?

if you stop quickly, why?

see, vinagar in the eyes burns for a long long time, far longer than the animal understands what the pain is for.

its cruel, the same way chasing the kid around the house for an hour whipping him for one infraction is cruel.

if you dont understand that.... I give up.

"see, vinagar in the eyes burns for a long long time, far longer than the animal understands what the pain is for."

So lets see the scientific data to back this up.
Otherwise youre just guessing.
And youre also assuming they will ALWAYS get it in their eyes, when reality is just getting it in the face where the scent overpowers them is just as good of a deterrent.

There is NO proof that vinegar in the eyes has EVER caused any permanent damage. Its simply NOT that strong, no matter how UNPLEASANT it may be.

"Harmless Substance:

The following liquid products are harmless to the eye: bubble bath, cosmetics, deodorant, foods (e.g. lemon juice), hair conditioner, hair spray, hand lotion, laundry detergent (liquid), medications, shampoo, shaving cream, soap, sunscreen, and toothpaste.
The following substances are also generally harmless, but will cause transient irritation: hydrogen peroxide, rubbing alcohol and vinegar.
Mace: Mace and pepper spray are used in personal protection devices. Eye exposure results in marked eye pain and tearing. Usually these symptoms subside in 30 minutes and there is no lasting damage"

http://rnceus.com/triage/trchemical.html

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