Questionable animal care practices

I cut throats on goats and sheep. One can never know what is going through the animals mind but watching them it appears a fairly peaceful way to go.

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Banning DDT didn't kill 30 million humans. Failure to use alternatives and mount continuous, well-funded eradication campaigns is what killed those people. In fact, DDT was (and is) still being used in many areas of the world, but with better controls and more limited scope. I, for one, think it is way cool to be able to watch 7 or 8 bald eagles circle my place while the chickens run for cover. BTW, haven't lost a bird to an eagle or hawk, yet!

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I believe that... lol

on slitting the throat, i imagine that after the shock of the cut (which if its a razor, it would take a few sec to really feel it) the massive blood loss make them black out and well.... really thats a quiet painless way to go.

when you think about it. by the time passes that the cuts pain would register the animal is halfway passed out....

funny, if I did that to a pig no one care but if i euthanized a kitten that way the world would go ape on me.

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The reason so many people go ape when someone kills a dog or cat or live stock is because so many city people ( wannabe modern day book learned farmer ) moved to the country and made pets of everything, and now they have sentimental value just like the animal is a personal member of the family.

In the past killing animals was a way of life.

Now it's buy your meat at stores what you eat, and let someone else kill it, and make pets out of the rest.

This system is second cousins to PETA QUACKERY !

Modern day farmers say ... Come here baby mommy loves you.

Old days farmers said ... Pass the meat, gravy, and biscuits.


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One thing that bothers me, and I see it a LOT on here, is when someone has a sick animal, and they DON'T know the cause, but they start dosing with antibiotics or wormers. Thats how drug resistant germs and worms are created, and giving UNEEDED medicines can CAUSE problems. People need to resist the urge to DO SOMETHING and spend a little more time figuring out what is NEEDED before they start medicating.

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Now, now.....I say "Come here baby, mommy loves you", then when they are calm I shoot them and butcher. You can have it both ways.

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Bearfootfarm, worming should be part of any herd health program and I would put it in a different category than penicillin and most people change their parasite treatments so they aren't using the same formula year after year. One of the reasons you see people suggest a parasite treatment is because many new owners don't realize that an animal loaded with parasties will do poorly or can die.

Once, Dh went to help an old farmer castrate some bull calves. The old timer drenched the cut in diesel fuel to keep the flies away.
I was horrified!! Needless to say, we don't practice that technique at our place.

Will it work on lobsters?

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I realize worming is sometimes necessary and I have nothing against it IF NEEDED. Im talking about those who say " My "_____" has scours ( or whatever), so I wormed it and gave it a shot of antibiotics". Then after being questioned you find out the animal ate something that upset its stomach, or has coccidia which requires a totally different treatment.
Im just saying you should DIAGNOSE and then treat instead of panicking and giving medications blindly. It doesnt take long to do a fecal and SEE if they have worms before you begin to treat a problem that may not exist.

As far as "new owners" not knowing, I think it's their responsibility to learn about the animals BEFORE they aquire them. I realize you cant learn it ALL beforehand, but basic healthcare is something they need to be prepared for unless they intend to rely totally on a Vet

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I like that one ... We have a winner Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding

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Wellll weeee fired our guns and the british keppa comin'
but there whut'n nar as many as there was a walla go
we fired once more and they began'a runnin'
on down the misissippi to the gulf of mexico...


... never heard it. lol. Now this song is gonna be in my head for at least a month.

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The tests needed to determine the exact cause of the illness is often more expensive than the worth of the animal. Vets even do this. If it is obvious that an animal has some kind of infection you can bet your booty I'm giving them a whopping good dose of antibiotics ASAP.

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That is not cruel. I've done it many times with my goats, only I didn't "toss the salt in or hold the eye open. It works really well, and I use the salt for myself and my kids when we get pinkeye, too. The goats didn't mind as far as I could tell, and it saved the sight in my buck's eye when he had punctured it on a rusty screw.

I just put a bit of plain table salt on my palm and blow it off my palm into the goat's eye. They shook their head at the surprise of it, but they didn't holler or seem to be in pain...not even the buck whose eye was already badly infected and clouded over. After just two or three applkications, his eye cleared right up and he regained vision in it, to my amazement.

The worst I've ever seen was a person who tried to band a dog and when they saw that the flimsy, fairly loose rubber band wasn't working, they wrapped a scrap of wire around the scrotum. That dog died, bled to death trying to chew his nuts off. I wouldn't band a dog.

The one I see most often is: "If she can't give birth without help, I don't want her! I refuse to help them out, I want animals that can birth by theselves."

Sorry folks, it isn't the animal's fault if she can't pass her baby sideways or with the head back. If the animal had routine problems with birthing a normal presentation or a normal size, I could see culling the animal, but not letting it die after two or three days of unproductive, unassisted labor. Help it out and then take it to the sale barn if ya don't want it. Some of the people I've seen do this are the same ones who feed loads of grain to the doe while pregnant, and then when she has trouble birthing a 13-14 # kid? Too bad!

I never said anything about "testing" I said to "figure out what it is" before medicating. But ANY decent Vet will do SOME "tests" before giving antibiotics, such as taking a temperature or a simple white blood count to determine if there is an infection.

If an infection is "obvious" then you HAVE made a diagnosis BEFORE treating, which is EXACTLY how I stated it should be done

I did mention testing in a later post, referring to doing a simple fecal test before worming.

The first example I gave was "scours" as a symptom. Scours alone does NOT indicate either a wormer or an antibiotic without doing more research to find the CAUSE. You CAN treat the symptoms with Pepto Bismol, or liquids to prevent dehydration, but anything else is just guessing.

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Wow, I have never heard of most of these “cures” and some are pretty wild!

(picks jaw off computer desk and continues to read)

Well, just discussing here bear in mind, not trying to start a fight. Sometimes it depends upon scale. I once was working on a 700 cow ranch and it rained 30 out of 31 days during calving season. We had literally dozens of cases of scours at any one time. I spent most of every day horseback roping and doctoring sick calves. As I remember the basic treatment was paragoric (pepto bismol) with neomyicin. Sometimes you just have to fly by the seat of your pants.

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Yup. Anyone know of a cure?

They ran through the briars;
and they ran through the brambles;
They ran through the places where the rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em -
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.......

Actually I do. Listen to the complete original recording. This usually purges the demon for me.

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