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07/10/07, 12:24 PM
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I'd still be interested in tracing back how much increase came where
They did the same thing here about 3 years ago, notices on all the coolers saying that due to price increases received by farmers, they were forced to pass the increase along to consumers. They raised the price 15 cents/litre, farmers got an extra 2 cents. They never explained the extra 13 cents.
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07/10/07, 12:34 PM
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JMO - I think we are just at the begining of all of this.
Housing is falling and those that know said we are just at the begining of forclosers etc. That will impact the market.
Oil was 72 a barrel a few days ago. Yes, gas prices have gone down... for a while. I would imagine when labor day gets closer it will go up again.
Fires and droughts everywhere. Poor harvest because of low bee pollination.
So, my feeling is we are just at the begining of this cost increase in everything.
BTW - Grocery shopping 2 days ago at my lowest cost market.
Campbells soup - 2.68 a can (chunky)
10lb chicken frozen tender bags ( I call it chunk o'chicken) was .99lb in the spring now on sale 1.59lb
Walla Walla Sweet onions 1.59lb or 1.19lb if you buy 5lbs or more. (around .75lb last year)
Milk 3.89 for a gallon
Prices are up!
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07/10/07, 12:39 PM
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I bought a gallon of milk at the grocery store today. For just one gallon.....$5!! There was a sign on the door to the cooler stating that all dairy products had gone up in price due to feed stock being used for ethanol production, higher transportation costs and something else I can't remember just now. This sign stated that costs would be rising....as in this isn't as high as it's going to get, prepare for it to continue to go up. I haven't been able to justify a dairy animal with there just being 2 of us.....up till now. I can by golly justify it now. We drink a gallon a day....over 30 days. That's $150 per month just on milk! Not to mention butter and cheese. Think I'll mosey over to the goat forum for a while.
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I agree prices are going to go up even more, but on a side note, how do you guys go through a gallon of milk per day just between the two of you? That's quite a bit of milk.
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07/10/07, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TxGypsy
I bought a gallon of milk at the grocery store today. For just one gallon.....$5!! There was a sign on the door to the cooler stating that all dairy products had gone up in price due to feed stock being used for ethanol production, higher transportation costs and something else I can't remember just now. .
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that sounds like scare tactic crap to me. check prices around the area
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07/10/07, 02:20 PM
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Pardon me. I guess I should have read more posts.
Its Under $3 here most of the time, and if ya look around you can find it for $1.80
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07/10/07, 02:35 PM
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How many of you have read a book titled "The Long Emergency"? It's about the end of the cheap oil age, and the impact on EVERY aspect of our lives. As oil gets harder pump, and thus more expensive, all things made from or transported by it will get more expensive, if we can get them at all.
Here in the good old US of A we have allowed ourselves to become absolutely dependant on cars and trucks. We should all expect more of these price increases in the future. Good to know that as homesteaders we are better prepared than most.
Can you just imagine some city dweller saying, "Milk is too expensive, guess we'll have to get a goat." LOL just thinking about it. That reminds me, I'll have to check the breeding schedule for my girls. Don't want any shortage of goats milk at home now, do we?
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07/10/07, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Russ_NEPA
How many of you have read a book titled "The Long Emergency"? It's about the end of the cheap oil age, and the impact on EVERY aspect of our lives. As oil gets harder pump, and thus more expensive, all things made from or transported by it will get more expensive, if we can get them at all.
Here in the good old US of A we have allowed ourselves to become absolutely dependant on cars and trucks. We should all expect more of these price increases in the future. Good to know that as homesteaders we are better prepared than most.
Can you just imagine some city dweller saying, "Milk is too expensive, guess we'll have to get a goat." LOL just thinking about it. That reminds me, I'll have to check the breeding schedule for my girls. Don't want any shortage of goats milk at home now, do we?
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there are quite a few stories about "peak oil". I am a believer.
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07/10/07, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahc
I agree prices are going to go up even more, but on a side note, how do you guys go through a gallon of milk per day just between the two of you? That's quite a bit of milk.
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I was wondering the same thing- that's a LOT of milk! It takes our family of 6 about a week and a half to go through a gallon of milk.
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07/10/07, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by arabian knight
No they are not milk prices are $17.75 a hundred wieght not 7 years ago they were 22 a hundred wt. So they are getting Less and now the fuel prices are out of site for them. Oh they are better then 3 years ago when they were at 13 a hundred wt.
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Thank you.
My husband has been in the dairy business for 20 years and is still getting very roughly the same amount per hundred weight now as when he started back then. Sure it fluctuates off and on, but it over the long run it stays pretty even and it certainly hasn't matched inflation. There's a big debate in the industry as to who is getting that extra dough, but it for certain isn't the dairy farmers.
It makes me feel guilty for getting out our gallon per week to drink when it could be bringing us that extra fifty cents if I left it in the tank. Ha!
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07/10/07, 03:58 PM
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Here in Northern NY milk is 4.18 a gallon at Wally world. I sell goats milk fresh for 5.00 a gallon and I felt bad giving that price.
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07/10/07, 04:25 PM
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Thank you.
My husband has been in the dairy business for 20 years and is still getting very roughly the same amount per hundred weight now as when he started back then. Sure it fluctuates off and on, but it over the long run it stays pretty even and it certainly hasn't matched inflation. There's a big debate in the industry as to who is getting that extra dough, but it for certain isn't the dairy farmers.
It makes me feel guilty for getting out our gallon per week to drink when it could be bringing us that extra fifty cents if I left it in the tank. Ha!
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Isn't that a shame! Maybe if the dairy farmers were getting the "extra" money we are charged, we wouldn't complain so much.
So where is the money going? The dairy farmers are paying higher prices for feed and fuel, the grain farmers are paying extra for seed, fertilizer and fuel...I guess we should all own stock in Monsanto, Cargill, Exxon, and who ever makes fertilizer (I don't know one company, lol) then we could afford to buy milk.
Last week I paid $3.48 at Walmart, but only because another store had it on sale, and Walmart has to "ad match", Sav A Lot was just over $4.
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07/10/07, 04:46 PM
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I was wondering the same thing- that's a LOT of milk! It takes our family of 6 about a week and a half to go through a gallon of milk.
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i generaly buy 4 gal. a week for a family of 4, sometimes up to 6 gal. My hubby is a big milk drinker.
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07/10/07, 07:30 PM
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It looks like the milk marketers have been watching the fuel markets, and how Exxon handled the media pressures over huge profits and high gas prices. To America, Exxon basically said "tuff ! (show middle finger here) You can buy it or not, here's the price. Our loyalty is to Exxon stockholders and no one else."
I don't know about everyone else, but that doesn't sound very American to me. I have no problem with a fair profit, but sheeesh. When your neighbor is over a barrell (pun intended), you don't jab him in the eye with a sharp stick. Well, Exxon is jabbing a sharp stick in every Americans eye. And it's not just Exxon, just insert any energy company here.
Now the milk marketers are doing the same thing...."Heck, it worked for Exxon, why shouldn't we also make huge profits - we don't care who's pocket it comes from." Let's see,....Exxon, .....hospitals,..... milk, hmmmm.....what else do we all depend on for life? water maybe? baby food? What do Americans buy almost every day in large quantities? We can all think of many many items to end that sentence with.
sorry all...i'm just kinda ramblin in frustration.
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07/10/07, 08:48 PM
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2 people here use 6 @ ˝ gallon glass bottles of local milk costing $2.49/bottle (un-centrifuged and unhomogenized). That works out to $4.98/gallon.
I haven't a clue how much regular milk is in the gallon plastic jugs. Haven't priced it in a long time.
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07/10/07, 09:08 PM
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Here in Ga. We have premo milk at 5.89 a gallon and good milk I buy is at 3.99/4.29 a gallon./
Wow Prices keep going up
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07/10/07, 09:53 PM
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Contrary to popular opinion, grownups can survive without milk. We can also live without gas. If we stop buying it, the price 'might' drop. Gas wouldn't, because a billion Chinamen and a near billion Indians are starting to make money, and really would like to go on a road trip.... in a car... and there's barely enough supply to keep up with old demands, with the new demands, the supply gets tight.
Farmers aren't in business to get rich... the dairy farmer is one of the hardest working farm jobs in the world... It can be a great living (not bokoodles of money by any stretch, considering the gazillion hours they work 24/7/365) if the operation is paid for... if a farmer has to borrow money to start, it's little more than indentured servitude...being tied to the banker and the cow.
Prices of everythings going to go through the roof, foodwise. A lot of food we import, and every step along the way, fuel is used... and the fuel is going up, and producers/exporters/retailers can only absorb so much, and then it has to be passed on.
Now is the time to get thouself a milk goat. We're milkin one now, next year this time, we're looking at 6.
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07/11/07, 09:21 AM
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I have a hard time believing that the price of milk is going up due to ethanol.
Cows are by nature, not meant to live on grain, esp. corn.
They're ruminants and eat grass.
Dairies should be pasturing their cows.
If ethanol is pushing up the cost (to the middleman's benefit, not the dairy!) then those are feedlot cows and you should cut back or switch brands. It requires extra medication to nurse a cow along on grain long term.
Never even dawned on me that there were feedlot dairies until I heard about the Horizon organic milk controversy.
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07/11/07, 09:28 AM
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I have a hard time believing that the price of milk is going up due to ethanol.
Cows are by nature, not meant to live on grain, esp. corn.
They're ruminants and eat grass.
Dairies should be pasturing their cows.
If ethanol is pushing up the cost (to the middleman's benefit, not the dairy!) then those are feedlot cows and you should cut back or switch brands. It requires extra medication to nurse a cow along on grain long term.
Never even dawned on me that there were feedlot dairies until I heard about the Horizon organic milk controversy.
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The local dairy our milk is from pastures their cows. Sadly, there aren't a lot of dairies that do that any more.
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07/11/07, 09:51 AM
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the price rising is due to the price of diesel almost tripling over the last couple of years. Back in 2000, I could get red diesel for ~75c/gallon... Now it's ~2.40. Diesel for my truck is 2.89. Fertilizer prices have almost doubled in the last half decade.
Pastured cows still need fertilized grass, and grain mixes fed at the milking stall.
When the base energy cost of civilization goes up, everything along the way must go up also.
Think about your personal finances... has your cost of living went up? Mine has, a LOT!
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07/11/07, 09:51 AM
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1 US gallon is actually 3.78ℓ - even says so on my milk gallon containers
I haven't been to the store yet after the milk increase, but I've been watching grocery prices steadily climbing for a while now. The sales are not what I would consider a "sale" anymore either.
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