Who do you call to find out legal distances?

Next time he show's up I'd have a copy of that right to farm act. Then I'd lay it on him with two options. 1) Accept your offer for $1500 an acre for his land or, Buy you out for $50,000 an acre.

Then tell him you will sue him for harrassment if he doesn't stop his crap.

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thanks, guys! We are talking about 6 pigs.........4 of which will be butchered, 2 will be overwintered and bred opposite of each other so there is only one litter at a time. The piglets resulting from breeding, all but 2-4 will be sold after weaning. Not a large operation.

I'm going to quit worrying about it and tell him to have his lawyer look up the Right To Farm act.

If this gal is outside of the city limits and in an ag zoned area she should have refused to accept the ticket if it was delivered in person, or returned it if it was mailed. I doubt they have any legal power to ticket anyone out of their jurisdiction, which in most cases ends at the city limits. Tell the city to stuff their ticket and threaten to sue them for harassement.

You're joking, right?

:1pig:

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My personal opinion is that he would have a VERY hard time proving that a pig pen 500 FEET from his property is a menace. I have pigs and I have to wonder about someone smelling them 500 feet away. I take it that the prevailing winds must blow directly at the guy.

I personally would go on merrily raising my pigs and get them butchered.

Talking to a guy who deals with this stuff around here (a land investor who places "restrictions" on the land he sells, which is recorded on the deed) he said animal restrictions are the hardest to enforce because most animals (like swine) come and go to the butcher, so they aren't present year round.

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............................The more pigs you acquire , the Lower his asking is going to be , LOL ! Maybe you should apply for a building permit for a 400 x 600 cement Pig house and see what happens too his price . , fordy... :1pig:

Yes I was kiding. This is the way most of the town dwelers thing. That is why i posted lol at the end. Everything else is not kiding. I worked with a member of the polition control comision in my area and they had a case where their were 40 hogs in a 80 acre pasture and they were asked to decide if they were a polition problem. They did not.

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This story reminds me of something that happened around here years ago.
West of town a guy had been raising pigs for many years on his land. He always kept a radio playing for them as he said it just relaxed them some and this is a known thing to many farmers.
Some big company bought the land next door and started putting in a golf course and homes. After things was well along golfers started complaining about the smell and noise coming from the land next to things. They ended up taking this poor farmer that was there many years before them to court. After 4 years in and out of court, national media coverage, untold cost for lawyers and all. The poor farmer sold off his land and moved. He won every time he went to court, Yet he just got sick and tired of dealing with the rich morons that used the land next to his pig farm and they complained about the smell and sounds.

Here in Minnesota, the city of Hutchinson put in 100 miles or so of natural gas pipeline to feed themselves. They condemned whole farms, and then laid out the pipeline, going where they wanted on the coridor of farms. They never paid for 3+ years. There was no stopping or slowing it down, try as many did. The courts in this liberal state just really didn't care, & changed rulings on the fly to assist the pipeline.

Now, I understand putting in utilities needs some sacrifice from some indiviuals, and eminent domain in some cases, and all. That is the govt being useful to help the many.

But this whole thing was just rotten to the core. It stunk. Nothing was done right. That city (not state, or group of municiplaities, but a single city) could condemn land 90 miles away from them, without even an actual plan of what exactly they were building. Most abusive of govt power.

And, was all ok with the govt.

So, doesn't surprise me.

A congress person from my state is a cosponser of a law to expand the wetlands laws to become fedral law, not just suggestions tot he states, and increasing the scope of these wetlands laws from just navigable waters to _all_ waters. Even the ditches & ponds you or I put in at our expense.

Doesn't surprise me that a city hands out no-moo tickets to farm land.

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The cops (I think it was a sherriffs deputy) issued the ticket in person. His own report stated that the cow never mooed in his presence. The neighbor has called the departement dozens of times. I think he wrote the ticket to bring things to a head and embarrass the neighbor. The media is crucifying the guy. The DA himself has doubted that there is any grounds for prosecution. My feeling is that the case will soon be dismissed.

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Go to your countys zoning department and ask they will know better. I wouldnt trust it online laws change and could be old. The local planning and zoning guys have to be up to date on their knowledge so they will know best.
If your neighbor gives you any more problems refer him to your county zoning and planning office as well.

The first thing to ask yourself is, "Do the pigs really smell?" if they do, that is the smell of money (fertilizer) floating away. Odor is caused by an excess of nitrogen in relation to carbon. The odor can usually be stopped or greatly reduced by the addition of carbaceous material which can usually be had for free (wood chips, sawdust, leaves, shredded paper, ect). If the answer to the question is yes, I would add some of this carbaceous material for my own benefit (outstanding composted manure), and it just might make your neighbor happy. Sounds like a win win to me. Somewhere along the line we seemed to stop working with our neighbors and started fighting with them, it kills me when I hear about neighbor spats, especially when there is a simple solution which benefits everyone. Just my .02. According to some of the previous posts, it seems that the endurance of rank odors is some sort toughness test for country folks, the "If you can't handle it, leave" mentality. To me (a farmer, BTW) it is pretty stupid to sit around and endure the smell of rancid s**t all day. If your pigs do not smell, by all means, proceed...

I believe the reason for the fighting with the neighbors is they have built their homes there and never once considered where they were building. Then they start calling the LEOs and their lawyers because they don't like the idea of you having a farm/homestead next to them.. I go through this all the time.

So if they don't like it they can go back to the city or learn to deal with the farm/homestead...

Just my opinion... Don't take it the wrong way I know it's not all of them.

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Update:

Again - this guy has owned the property for 20+years, but there has never been a house on it. There are only 6 pigs, they are in a 6000 square foot pen, and are 500 feet from his property line.

We told him to have his lawyer look up the Wyoming right to farm act, and also told him who to speak to at the Ag. Department. He said that he had planned on building a subdivision there and we were ruining it and so he could sue for loss of income. The zoning guy told him his land is zoned agricultural, he has not applied to change that, and the pigs were there first. He was not happy, but we have not heard anything else.

Thanks for the update.

Anything can happen, but you should be in the right on this.

--->Paul

I agree you should be in the right on this. My questions would be, if he doesn't have any water rights on this land, how does he expect to put a development on it? I realize I don't know how you deal with the mineral/water rights in the west, but if there is no rights to drill for water on that property, then what does he think he is going to do, ship water in or pray it rains a lot and contain it in a water retaining basin.

I would question all of this....

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