Homesteading Today

Homesteading Today (http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/)
-   Homesteading Questions (http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/homesteading-questions/)
-   -   High Fructose Corn Syrup (http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/general-homesteading-forums/homesteading-questions/192712-high-fructose-corn-syrup.html)

momanto 06/27/07 09:34 PM

High Fructose Corn Syrup
 
My Son In Law Has Been Given Several Tons Of #62 High Fructose Corn Syrup For The Moving. We Propose To Feed Some To Our Cows. I Have Asked The Cattle Forum How Much And How Often Would Be Feasible For This.

Does Any One Else Know Of A Use For This Product?

Maybe A Good Barter Item For The Future?

Any Down Sides On This Product?

Sure Would Appreciate Hearing From Those Who Have Experience In This Area.

Thanks.

Mom

Ravenlost 06/27/07 09:41 PM

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfo...hfructose.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...DGS24VKMH1.DTL

http://www.ezinearticles.com/?The-Da...Syrup&id=28535

http://www.diabetescure101.com/meat.htm

We're eliminating high fructose corn syrup from our diet.

Alice In TX/MO 06/27/07 09:46 PM

Compost it?

Marilyn in CO 06/27/07 09:50 PM

We've fed about 15,000 head of cattle over the years and I would say that high fructose corn syrup would definitely NOT be something you would feed cattle.....talk about unnatural for their systems.

DenverGirlie 06/27/07 10:55 PM

There is nothing good you could do with it, I would give it back.

momanto 06/27/07 11:22 PM

Wow, Your Responses Have Sure Been Eye Opening.

However, It Seems To Me That The Sugar Could Be Formulated With Free Choice Minerals And Some Roughage To Make A Suitable Feed.
Will Continue My Investigation.

We Havent Moved It Yet. Dsil Needs To Move It And Will Store It Here Until He Finds A Buyer [for Any We Dont Use]. There Are About 7 Tons Of It In Two Different Tanks. I Will Sure Pass This Info On To Him, Tho.

Thanks,

Mom

Tracy Rimmer 06/27/07 11:48 PM

Several TONS of corn syrup?

There's a party waiting to happen :)

rambler 06/28/07 01:16 AM

Cattl like starch. And protien. With a little roughage.

Sugar isn't much for livestock feed. Short term energy, doesn't add much to milk or meat production. Kindsa takes away from their gains, not adds to them....

You would be using it in real small amounts.

--->Paul

dare2b 06/28/07 03:30 AM

Maybe you could ferment or distill it into some kind of liquor.....

DaleK 06/28/07 03:54 AM

Reply
 
Some dairy farms use SMALL amounts of high-sugar byproducts in feed if they can get them. Two problems (at least)
1. They don't store well. Because bacteria LOVES sugar, they tend to go bad very, very quickly. Several tons is going to mean most of it ends up getting dumped
2. The cows get addicted to it. When it runs out, they crash... bad.

Christiaan 06/28/07 04:00 AM

You could use it to sweeten up some underpar hay, but you'd be looking at the most a cup poured over an entire bale. Mostly it looks like landfill time to me.

Sandra Nelson 06/28/07 04:14 AM

Do you have an ethanol production facility near you? Maybe you could trade for fuel or sell it outright to them and have them pick it up in the deal.

Severian 06/28/07 05:08 AM

A lot of commercial beekeepers use HFCS to feed their bees. Maybe wholsale to the major beekeeping suppliers ?

Alice In TX/MO 06/28/07 06:41 AM

A local beekeeper told me it's the corn syrup that commercial bee keepers use that's part of the bee death problem. :shrug:

Just passing on what I was told. No flames, please.

Silvercreek Farmer 06/28/07 08:27 AM

Maybe check into feeding it to hogs a little at a time???

Old_Town 06/28/07 08:49 AM

Corn syrup will have a some fertilizer value as well as a good stimulant for microbes in the soil. I would use it mixed with water as a foliar feed for hay crops, shubs, turfgrass etc.

Kmac15 06/28/07 08:52 AM

There is no positive link to corn syrup for the bee problem, I would look up your local bee keepers association and give them a call, they travel a lot of miles to get that for their bees for the cold months and I am sure would be willing to buy it from you, if it is the right kind of syrup. As you are in FL that is most likely what it was made for.

holleegee 06/28/07 09:49 AM

What kind of container does it come in? if it comes in drums I would dump the corn syrup and keep the containers.

My daughter is allergic to high frutose corn syrup....it is nasty stuff. I'm not sure about feeding it to animals but we don't eat anything with corn syrup in it (and it is in almost anything prepackaged.)

Why are they getting rid of it?

bill not in oh 06/28/07 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holleegee
Why are they getting rid of it?

That's what I was wondering...

goatsareus 06/28/07 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holleegee
What kind of container does it come in? if it comes in drums I would dump the corn syrup and keep the containers.

My daughter is allergic to high frutose corn syrup....it is nasty stuff. I'm not sure about feeding it to animals but we don't eat anything with corn syrup in it (and it is in almost anything prepackaged.)

Why are they getting rid of it?

Bingo! Yes, why are they getting rid of it? The best idea, IMO, is dumping it and keeping the containers!

momanto 06/28/07 10:53 AM

Sil Is Dismantling A Defunct Sugar Mill-refinery. They Give Him All The Parts He Takes Down. Which He Resells. The Corn Fructose Has Turned Extremely Thick. Have No Idea What A Sugar Refinery Used It For.

FalconDance 06/28/07 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by momanto
Have No Idea What A Sugar Refinery Used It For.

From How Sugar is Refined - the Basic Story http://www.sucrose.com/lref.html

Quote:

The raw sugar is mixed with a warm, concentrated syrup of slightly higher purity than the syrup layer so that it will not dissolve the crystals.
From US Sugar refinery's website:

Quote:

the facility includes refining, warehousing and packaging operations, allowing the Company to produce and market a full spectrum of sugar products. U.S. Sugar markets these products to industrial sugar users -- the companies that produce baked goods, ice cream, candy, beverages and other consumer and commercial food products -- as well as to retail grocery chains.
Another site which explains how corn syrup is refined: http://www.corn.org/web/processo.htm Sounds as if a sugar refinery could possibly be used to refine corn if needed(?).

~Falcon

rambler 06/29/07 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by momanto
Have No Idea What A Sugar Refinery Used It For.

Left over supply......

Most corn fructose goes for sugar for liquid type foods - soft drinks are a huge user. Ice cream, and other packaged foods as mentioned.

They sqeeze the sugar out of corn - rather than from sugar beets or sugar cane. It comes as a liquid from the corn, which is good for some uses, not so good for others.

There is less sugar in corn than cane or beets, but - corn is easy to get, and the left overs make good livestock feed.

Too bad he didn't get several tons of the left over mash - _that_ woulda been good cattle feed. :)

--->Paul

cougkid 06/29/07 12:39 AM

I personally think high fructose corn syrup is the root of the current obesity epidemic. I wouldn't feed it to livestock unless you are just trying to fatten them up for sale.

Ken Scharabok 06/29/07 04:36 AM

Read the links given by Ravenlost above.

It is likely more of a contributing factor (and perhaps a significant one) than a root cause.

A junk food diet and lack of exercises probably are also major players.

goatsareus 06/29/07 05:45 AM

is it too late for your SIL to say, thanks but no thanks?

jessepona 06/29/07 11:56 AM

When I first read the title of this post I was thinking of all the candy recipes that require corn syrup... but at seven tons, that would be a LOT of candy!

bill not in oh 06/29/07 07:24 PM

..

bill not in oh 06/29/07 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cougkid
I personally think high fructose corn syrup is the root of the current obesity epidemic.

No - overindulgence and ignorance of dietary prudence and nutrition is [period]

Ken Scharabok 07/01/07 10:40 AM

On Friday I thought I pulled a gallon of OJ out of the store cooler and then found I had (Purity) Breakfast Orange Drink when I got home. With first sip I found it was so sweet I have to dilute it. Label says ingrediends are: water, high fructose corn syrup, orange juice concentrate... Label also says it is 7% OJ. According to label then HGCS must be greater than 7% of volume for it to be listed as the second ingredient. I suspect SUNNY DELIGHT is similar.

Makes me wonder how many consider this to be a 'healty' drink for kids.

Alice In TX/MO 07/01/07 12:11 PM

Sunny Delight is nasty. Pure D Nasty. :grump:

Dahc 07/01/07 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kmac15
There is no positive link to corn syrup for the bee problem, I would look up your local bee keepers association and give them a call, they travel a lot of miles to get that for their bees for the cold months and I am sure would be willing to buy it from you, if it is the right kind of syrup. As you are in FL that is most likely what it was made for.

I agree. There is no real link. I think the mass bee deaths are from genetically modified crops, but that is speculation as well.

That's the first thing that came to my mind. Bee food.

Ken Scharabok 07/01/07 02:04 PM

"Sunny Delight is nasty. Pure D Nasty."

Probably like this breakfast orange drink, orange flavored sugar water.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:36 AM.