Farmers and Animal Rights Activists
 

Just heard this on the news. What a horrid story. The woman that owns the farm is devistated.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/13462058/detail.html

This isn't all that far from where I live, maybe about 80 miles or so. On the radio story, it said the minks that died were clubbed or beaten to death...even nursing babies. Do we need armed guards on our farms 24/7 to protect livestock from this kind of horror? I've heard some of these activists talk about how milking animals is "cruel". I have dairy goats. I also have meat goats. I'm in a high traffic area. I guess I need to rile up the dogs and load up on ammo. What the heck is it with people today?

Ruth

Gross and mean. That all sounds too horrible. One of my kids said some Earth group was on news last night ramming one of the G8 boats. I didn't see it but we were going to look it up today too. Stay safe.

The problem with these idiots is; They seem to think they know better then everyone else. They seem to think if they aren't raising or milking the animals, then it's cruel. Personnally I think they are nothing more the terrorists and criminals.

But the most important thing they haven't learned yet, is the feeling of the impact from my .45 or 30-30. Once they learn that feeling they will know that they are on private property and that they are wrong.

These people have know clue what animal cruelity is and get persuaded by other lunatics that things like shearing a sheep is cruel. I have neither the time not paitence for these idiots and will take what ever steps needed to keep them off my property.

Don't worry when the cave fills up with bodies I'll just close it off and start on the next one....LOL

three words, beowoulf, heavy duty chipper/shredder (or is that four words?). How far are you from Butler?

Ruth

I do think that some of these "activists" need to get punishment that befits their crime, and only then will they start taking their actions seriously. And vigilante action won't improve the situation for farmers; the system itself needs to be clearly on their side.

I do think that one insane act like this a year shouldn't be taken as an epidemic, and probably is nothing for the average animal-owner to stay awake at night over. But it is definitely time to make clear what the law owes people who responsibly and legally raise animals.

This may be a stupid question, but if dogs were shot and minks were clubbed to death, why do we think it was animal rights people? Wouldn't they just stupidly set them free?? I kind of don't get it.

PETA has been well reported lately of killing and dumping animals they've stolen. They're making a point, but hiding their reality. I'm sure the others are doing the same...ALF in particular.

Ruth

That's really scary that they came to the property with guns. I generally think of these kinds of people as clueless bunny lovers, but going there with that kind of intent, well, they need to be caught and face a severe sentence. I could forgive a lot if I were the owner, but killing the dogs makes it a capital crime in my book.

Jennifer

This is insane. If anyone wants to "rescue" an animal, they wouldn't kill some would they? Sounds like nothing but violence and cruelty to animals really.

Trying to understand how the mind of a sadistic animal torturer would work and wriggle his/her way into animal rights groups. But no-one knows if this heinous act was done by such a group right?

Anyone that touches my dog will be looking for his teeth with a magnifying glass.

That's because it's really stupid. :rolleyes:

No, it makes no sense for someone who cares about animals to club them to death, or even to "release" domestic animals into the wild. But extremist animal rights group do this sort of thing from time to time, to draw media attention to themselves and because they're rarely punished as they should be for the severity of their crimes. These people are simply crazies. You hear them say things sometimes like, "The animals are better off dead than subjected to that kind of life." :shrug:

While this crime hasn't been determined to have been carried out by any particular group, I think it's quite likely that crazy animal activists are guilty. I cannot imagine who else would have had any "reason" whatsoever apart from a personal vendetta we don't know about.

I resent this, on behalf of clueless bunny lovers everywhere! :p

And clubbing baby minks???

:rotfl:

ALF is well known for starting fires in their efforts. Animals usually die in those fires.

Ruth

At $50-$90 Dollars a pound for mink fur, some security might be a good idea knowing there are people out there who do this kind of evil.... Minks are kept in individual cages, thats a lot of cages to open!

There were a lot of babies together and nursing babies with moms. Not as many cages as you'd think.

Ruth

>>>>investigators are trying to determine if militant animal rights activists or other domestic terrorists are behind the attack.<<<<

This tells me that they don't KNOW who did it, so speculation is just that. Making assumptions that one group did something without proof may keep people from recognizing the clues that lead elsewhere.

No matter who did it, it's a dreadful thing for the owners, and for the animals killed.

Meg

Already got one, just didn't want to give away all my secrets...LOL

We are north of York, south of Harrisburg, outside of Mount Wolf.

Of course we're speculating...but we're not investigating. I stand by my assumption that it was animal rights activists.

Ruth

More on this story.

Ruth

This is why the United States Coast Guard has front mounted canons. These people are dangerous and it amounts to terrorism in my not so humble opinion. Let's see them try it in the gulf off the coast of florida. They'll need scuba gear to retrieve their equipement... after they bury their dead and get out of prison that is.

Environmentalists have been terrorising americans for almost 60 years and yet the average american is a target of homeland security 2 or 3 times a month. What's up with that? Time to turn the cameras in the right direction.

Dahc, I'm seriously thinking of installing security cameras.

Ruth

I'm concerned about environmental issues, so that makes me an environmentalist. However, being an environmentalist does NOT make me a terrorist.

If we turn the cameras in the right direction, Capital Hill will be visible from Uranus.

depends on the definition

Definition:
1. somebody working to protect the environment: somebody involved in issues relating to the protection of the natural world, especially a member of a political group campaigning against the perceived harmful effects of industrialized societies



I am also concerned about environmental issues, but you will never see me join a political group campaigning for such things, I've never seen one of those groups that was even half way sane - I used to get Sierra Club newsletter, etc......nuts.....way over the top IMHO

At least you admit that its just an assumption. I doubt that it is "animal
rights" activist. They would have just released the animals into the wild
as they have done in the Pacific Northwest. And most of the fires that I
have heard of being set were at car dealerships and Corporate facilities
that didn't have animals in them (as far as I know). Also the persons that
were convicted in Oregon and elsewhere have received stiff sentences,
with one getting 20 years! I think thats quite enough since most of these
people are just kids that let their passions get away from them.
pc

No, it doesn't depend on the definition. I looked up numerous definitions and not a single one of them included the word "nuts" or "terrorist".

I am also not a member of any political group campaigning for "such things" although I have voted Green Party in the past and I do consider myself an environmentalist, although I would never advocate violence to achieve ANYTHING.

Any so called terrorist group who sets FIRES to protest environmental issues, KILLS animals to protest animal rights, is definitely whacked in the head. That doesn't mean that ALL environmentalists, or animal rights activists are whackos.

Sigh...I just don't like generalizations and blanket statements.

do you have sources to back up this statement?
(as a former PETA member I am quite curious)

it does seem really doubtful ANIMAL ACTIVISTS killed these animals. come on! :rolleyes:

more PETA kills links
 

http://www.eugeneweekly.com/2007/06/07/views2.html
http://www.nokillnow.com/PETA_sweettranch.htm

http://dogpolitics.typepad.com/my_we...s_dead_me.html
http://www.thisistrue.com/peta.html
http://brianoconnor.typepad.com/anim...a_has_muc.html
http://www.austinreview.com/archives...a_kills_1.html

so are we talking about euthanization or cruelty and slaughter? :shrug:
I personally think Peta gets a bad rap. but then again, I'm vegetarian! :)

Corporate America latched onto environmentalist = terrorist after 911. After all, after 911, EVERYBODY knew about terrorists, and for good reason, disliked em with a passion.

I can't vouch for ALF or ELF, but I know for a fact that Earth First does not harm humans, or any other critter. In the past, they did dislike heavy machinery that destroyed wilderness. Greenpeace and Captain Watson try to hinder the Japanese "scientific whaling".... sure the Japanese consider them terrorist... I consider them heroes. I think we should have a total embargo of everything Japanese, until they cease hunting whales. American Beef is cheaper.

On the mink issue, I haven't got a clue... yes, ALF might be the culprit. Just like after OK City, I thought Islamofascists. Come to think of it, Al Qaeda might have attacked the mink farmer.

If I were doing something on my farm that I thought might be offensive to some group, so much so as to make them want to do bad things to me and mine, I'd take precautions. Medieval precautions... :rolleyes:

i have to admit some of these groups act before they think. when i was 20, i was just walking past a fur store thru a group, (with a spanish lamb coat on) and they sprayed me with red paint. now come on, i was truly peeved. i bought that coat at a thrift shop and it was atleast 10 years older then me. i was recycling, thereby honoring the lives given up for this coat. i didn't kill the animals, i was respecting them, since the damage had already been done. what's the use in throwing them out? wasting that good fur? they got an earful from me, i got the impression no one ever came back at them, they scattered. jerks.

i love animals, adopt whatever critter gets sent my way. i call the proper authorities if i see an animal being abused, or let the abuser know how i feel. but hurt an animal, never. and letting caged non wild animals go free, is tantemount to murder (via slow death). what were they thinking, oh right, they weren't.

jesse

Guys, to move off the subject for a second (and for the record, I think all those groups are nuts) but I see here time and again talk about shooting trespassers, etc. We live in a pretty nasty society and it is entirely possible that you MAY WELL HAVE TO SHOOT SOMEONE.

If that happens, these statements may well come back and bite you in the -----. I understand the feelings but some things are best not put on the net for everyone to view and keep track of.

Sorry about the sidetrack. Now we can get back to the nuts!

There is no way on earth that a person claiming to be in favor of animal rights would "club" any animal to death.

I agree HilltopDaisy. If you want to read about more misguided "animal rights/lovers activists" read here:

http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/sho...d.php?t=188120

and here:

http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/sho...d.php?t=188375

and you all do realize it's not the animal activists causing the problem. downing them won't do a thing. spay and neuter your animals!

that is horrible to the lady that got her coat sprayed! I am sorry you had to go through that! I do see where folks can become zealots though on the issue. the more you get involved the crazier it makes one feel.

I was also an EF! member once upon a time (pre 911, back in the late 90's) I had my mail tampered with and everything. :rolleyes: also some noprofs aren't what they seem.. now I stay away from organized activism. it's just not worth it when I have kids to worry about now! (Anyone remember Judy Bari? http://www.judibari.org/ )

Yeah, that doesn't make sense. I think some of the people here are jumping to conclusions before they know all the facts.

This seems suspicious to me. Most of these stories have the same reference;
the story put out by the "Center for Consumer Freedom", which is obviously
a well-funded right-wing organization. The anti-climate change folks do the
same thing...its gotten to where you don't know what to believe nowadays.
As they say, don't believe most things you hear and only half of what you see :-)
pc
ps
Go to http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...nsumer_Freedom to see info on this front group.

I would also assume you are not out ramming sea going vessels and smashing the skulls of mink? Because if you are doing these things, you ARE a terrorist.

I am also concerned about the environment and environmental issues, but that makes me a good steward, not an environmentalist.

Those wacky idiotic Animal Rights people are just PLAIN Nuts, no way to get around that. I worked at a mink farm not once but 2 different times one full time one part time, the mink and fed and watered and when it is time for them to "go" They are given an injection and bingo they are gone. Black Leaf 40 is what we used that is straight nicotine~!