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Well here in florida we used to have the retreat law. I had an instructor once that taught me to fire while walking backwards because of the retreat law. Now that the law has been repealed if there is a criminal in your house you have every right to shoot him without having to take a defensive position.
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04/01/07, 08:27 PM
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EXCELLENT! JUST EXCELLENT. You shouldn't have to back down from some dip.
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04/01/07, 09:57 PM
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I do wish the US would start addressing problems instead of symptoms. Why is our crime rate so high? I'm quite surprised there are enough motivated criminals to go cruising in isolated areas. The odds against the criminals isn't very good, regardless of what state you live. IMHO, arming every one in the country isn't going to make crime go away. And I hope the state has budgeted for what looks like the inevitable investigations when someone invokes this law.
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04/02/07, 12:02 AM
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It makes me think about moving to Texas.
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Erm... this truly is the ONLY sensible thing Perry has done lately... a bit like moving to a madhouse run by King Loony.
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04/02/07, 01:11 AM
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I do wish the US would start addressing problems instead of symptoms. Why is our crime rate so high? I'm quite surprised there are enough motivated criminals to go cruising in isolated areas. The odds against the criminals isn't very good, regardless of what state you live. IMHO, arming every one in the country isn't going to make crime go away. And I hope the state has budgeted for what looks like the inevitable investigations when someone invokes this law.
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And what would you suggest we do? Call the police? Then our Lawyer just to make sure it's ok to defend our family? What if the police don't make it there for 20 min's? Do you think the criminal will take a time out? They can investigate all they want, giving the victim some rights for once is a step in the right direction. An armed society is a polite society. A thief,rapist,murder will go into the next house if they know you are armed. This is a comon sense law, for once.
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04/02/07, 02:57 AM
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....................Does this mean I can shoot a Bounty Hunter IF they try to force their way into my home and I'm NOT wanted ??? I , certainly hope so ! fordy...
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04/02/07, 03:08 AM
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If you have a bounty hunter after you. Then you most likely can not legaly own guns anyhow.
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04/02/07, 11:06 AM
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And what would you suggest we do? Call the police? Then our Lawyer just to make sure it's ok to defend our family? What if the police don't make it there for 20 min's? Do you think the criminal will take a time out? They can investigate all they want, giving the victim some rights for once is a step in the right direction. An armed society is a polite society. A thief,rapist,murder will go into the next house if they know you are armed. This is a comon sense law, for once.
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Evidently I did not make myself clear. There will be an investigation if you shoot a person, regardless of the law on the books. If you think you can shoot a person and expect law enforcement to take you at your word that you were under threat, I suggest you do as a previous poster says and
"The only caviat I have is call 911 Tell the dispatcher waht's happening & don't hang up before you shoot so they have a tape recording of you warning the intruder that you are going to shoot!"
You'll need all the substantiating evidence you can get. And given today's legal system, don't be surprised if a 'defender' gets charged and convicted when common sense says otherwise. Another personal observation (the OJ Simpson trial came to mind).
Given the laziness within our society today, I make a PERSONAL comment regarding the motivation level of some criminals. Rarely do I read in the newspaper that a Chicago criminal drove 120 miles to my rural area to commit a crime. Can't say that I've read about too many criminals in my area that drove that far to commit a random crime. Premeditated ones yes, spur of the moment to rob for cash, no.
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04/02/07, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Selena
Evidently I did not make myself clear. There will be an investigation if you shoot a person, regardless of the law on the books. If you think you can shoot a person and expect law enforcement to take you at your word that you were under threat, I suggest you do as a previous poster says and
"The only caviat I have is call 911 Tell the dispatcher waht's happening & don't hang up before you shoot so they have a tape recording of you warning the intruder that you are going to shoot!"
You'll need all the substantiating evidence you can get. And given today's legal system, don't be surprised if a 'defender' gets charged and convicted when common sense says otherwise. Another personal observation (the OJ Simpson trial came to mind).
Given the laziness within our society today, I make a PERSONAL comment regarding the motivation level of some criminals. Rarely do I read in the newspaper that a Chicago criminal drove 120 miles to my rural area to commit a crime. Can't say that I've read about too many criminals in my area that drove that far to create a random crime. Premeditated ones yes, spur of the moment to rob for cash, no.
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Well, I'm not sure there is going to be any more investigations than there are now. Personally, I am going to defend myself if I feel threatened, no matter the law. You have to be alive to go to jail, and I'd rather be alive in jail than dead because I was scared of defending myself. There are a lot of people that feel the same way, the only thing that the law is changing in this respect is that now I and other who live here might not end up in jail for defending ourselves.
Actually, the number of legal cases should go down overall, since this new law also protects home defenders from civil suits brought up from the attacker or his family should he die in attempt to enter my home, car, or work place.
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04/02/07, 03:49 PM
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There will always be someone who mentions the old saying, if you shoot them outside of the home drag them back in the house. That can get you in a lot of trouble. Most any police force will be able to tell if the person is shot where they are found. If you drag a person back inside your house there is a lot of covering up you will have to do in a short time. If you are not very good at covering it up you will definately go to jail.
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04/06/07, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Selena
Evidently I did not make myself clear. There will be an investigation if you shoot a person, regardless of the law on the books. If you think you can shoot a person and expect law enforcement to take you at your word that you were under threat, I suggest you do as a previous poster says and
"The only caviat I have is call 911 Tell the dispatcher waht's happening & don't hang up before you shoot so they have a tape recording of you warning the intruder that you are going to shoot!"
You'll need all the substantiating evidence you can get. And given today's legal system, don't be surprised if a 'defender' gets charged and convicted when common sense says otherwise. Another personal observation (the OJ Simpson trial came to mind).
Given the laziness within our society today, I make a PERSONAL comment regarding the motivation level of some criminals. Rarely do I read in the newspaper that a Chicago criminal drove 120 miles to my rural area to commit a crime. Can't say that I've read about too many criminals in my area that drove that far to commit a random crime. Premeditated ones yes, spur of the moment to rob for cash, no.
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Someone has just broken into my home and threatening the life of my family... Are you suggessting that I first call 911 before I start shooting at this guy? by this time my family or me could be dead. Excuse me mr. robber plaese let me call 911 first then I am going to shoot you, in the meantime just stand there and while I set me gun down and pick up the phone to dial 911
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04/06/07, 12:17 PM
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Well. at least something good could come from that place. Now if other states would fallow suit.
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04/06/07, 02:58 PM
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Someone has just broken into my home and threatening the life of my family... Are you suggessting that I first call 911 before I start shooting at this guy? by this time my family or me could be dead. Excuse me mr. robber plaese let me call 911 first then I am going to shoot you, in the meantime just stand there and while I set me gun down and pick up the phone to dial 911
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Is your comprehension of the English language really this poor? I don't give a rats patootie if you call the pope, 911, or your mommy. I just hope you can manage to answer the questions that will be asked, asked more than once. Geesh, I swear I am going to become a single issue voter and vote for the candidate with the best hair.
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04/06/07, 04:50 PM
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Oklahoma already has this law. The "make my day" law was passed back in the early nineties, I think. It let citizens use deadly force to defend their homes from intruders. In May of '06 they passed the "stand your ground" law so that citizens have the right to defend themselves to the full extent necessarry anywhere that a person has the legal right to be. This includes the grocery store, your car, office, home, anywhere basically.
Yay for Texas and yay for states that already have these laws (like Oklahoma)!
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04/06/07, 05:19 PM
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Oklahoma already has this law. The "make my day" law was passed back in the early nineties, I think. It let citizens use deadly force to defend their homes from intruders. In May of '06 they passed the "stand your ground" law so that citizens have the right to defend themselves to the full extent necessarry anywhere that a person has the legal right to be. This includes the grocery store, your car, office, home, anywhere basically.
Yay for Texas and yay for states that already have these laws (like Oklahoma)! 
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I have a sister that might argue the part about Okla. make my day law. She just got out of jail because she shot a person who broke into her home. It happened before the stand your ground law was passed.
The man who broke into her home was inside and coming toward her when she shot. She still went to jail.
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04/06/07, 05:43 PM
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Alabama has had the stand your ground law since about 2001 or 2002. A man in Huntsville was not only justified for shooting a neighbor in the street , but shooting him in the buttocks as he ran towards his home yelling at his wife to get him his gun so he could come back and shoot him.
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