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03/05/08, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by just_sawing
white pine is the choice for Log Homes
If I was in your situation I would hire a sawmill cut enough to build a shed/Barn.
Take that part when the barn is finished if codes are lax I would then have the sawmill cut me a cabin pattern. Band the wood and place it in the barn. Three months from now build.
Then repeat as your dream manifest itself.
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Beautiful vision. I concur.
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03/05/08, 07:45 AM
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i'd try to leave some of it for mother nature and some seclusion for your family :-) any property I own, I always leave a good bit of it for nature.
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03/05/08, 08:15 AM
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I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but it looks like the trees are eating up most of your valuable land, and are planted way too close together to be healthy for long. In California, where we have had so many of our trees killed by the bark beetle, overcrowding was a big part of the problem. I attended a Fire Safe meeting where a forester explained that for a healthy forest the ideal is to look at the ground and see 80% of it in the sun, and 20% of it in the shade.
At least, you want the darn beetle to have to hike between the trees!
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03/05/08, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by uncle Will in In.
Have you walked around under the trees? It will be full of dead brush, and hard to get around, but once the brush is trimmed out and cleaned up, you will have the nicest secluded place in the country. An excellent livestock shelter any time of year, or a lovely place for a picnic. Check it out before you do anything drastic.
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Limbed-up and slightly thinned white pine plantations make a great environment for ----ake and other log- inoculated mushroom production.( the editor on this site dashed out the spelling of the mushroom- lets see if this works- shiitake-sheetake- hopefully one of these spellings will make it thru the edit gauntlet)
I owned such a plot and it truly is just a beautiful and peaceful place to relax.
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03/05/08, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Lindsay
UPDATE: I was able to buy the adjacent vacant lot this spring so at least I have a little more to work with now. I am working on the next place down the line right now, it would be another 3 acres and a double wide. I am haven't spoken with the county agents yet as we still don't know when we are moving up. But I am still open to any ideas..
This is our place in the bold blue outline, we are renting it out right now, but may be moving in sooner than we thought. The property is right at 3 acres, and as you can see about half of it is planted in white pines. We plan on harvesting them at some point in order to turn the area into pasture. I have not spoken with the county forester yet, but I plan to do so before I do anything. Most of the tree are only about 8" in diameter with the exception of the ones on the outside which are closer to 12"-14" (maybe 50 or so). Right now I believe my options include, 1. Having someone come in (someone small and local I assume for an area this small) and cut them out. I don;t know if they have any cash value or not under this senario. 2. Cut them all myself, get them to the road and have someone pick them up for pulp/sawlogs. 3. Cut them myself, buy a sawmill and mill them into boards for personal use and sale. 4. Cut them myself and have someone come in with a portable sawmill and mill them 5. Wait. If the trees will gain significant value over the next several years, I may consider leaving them a bit longer. I am trying to buy the adjacent lot to the south east, this would serve as my pasture.
What do you think? Any guesses to their value would be much appreciated. |
I haven't read thru all the replies, but I wonder if u saw a post my husband put up awhile ago, about how he built his own portable sawmill? You can read about it here, if you like
http://countrylivinginacariboovalley.blogspot.com/
it should be on the first page there on our blog...maybe this info will help you?
Good luck and congratulations on being able to move onto your farm!
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03/05/08, 11:22 AM
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I have over 13 acres of mature Eastern White Pines of my 25 wooded acres. They planted them too closely 40+ years ago and they are now Qtips as well. However. I have immature maples, walnuts, pawpaws, sasafras, etc. growing in the understory. As well as mushrooms, native ferns, rare orchids, AND DEER (native word for good-to-eat)... AND I pasture the goats on part of the pine acreage. They LOVE pine needles...
My point is this: Are you SURE you can't live with the pines? And then selectively cut for the understory to grow? I logged off quite a few of the pines to someone wanting to make a log-sided sauna. And had others cut to dimensional lumber for me to use INSIDE my chicken house. It doesn't hold up well to rain and cruddy weather, but works well for dimensional. Additionally, the stumps of the pine trees I cut 15 years ago are not rotted yet. My soil is basically played out. A 12" top with hardpan clay under on top of a shale cap.
So, THINK about it...
Clear cut will expose the soil to run off. Have you plotted the topography to see what will happen when you cut? If you take out a few and build your paddocks, can you run goats in the rest then? Cattle and horses don't do as well in dense pines.
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03/05/08, 11:27 AM
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Green Woman
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Oh, forgot to say that the previous owner planted between 30,000 and 50,000Eastern White pines on my played-out bit farmland... I guess Purdue students came in my the bus-load and hand planted all them...
And then no one thinned them as they grew. I have some that are 20" across and better at the butt. But NO value, really...
And now I can't thin the weak sisters without killing myself from the widow-makers I would create...
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03/05/08, 11:49 AM
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Contact the local Forestry office and ask if they can send a Forester out to survey your property. They do this for free and it can give you an awful lot of good insight. If he spots pine beetles in them then it may be best to clear cut. If not then a proper thinning might be the way to go. Managed woodlots can be a heck of a retirement income or at least periodic bonus'.
We had the usable pines shortlogged from our property several years ago and the $$ was put toward our house. Our property is mixed woods and shortlogging did the least amount of damage. The stumps and tops rotten in just a few years, what's left looks solid but yields like fluff to a sledgehammer.
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03/05/08, 12:02 PM
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I would find a good forester let them tell me how to sell it off.
My grandparents wanted to clear 5 wooded acres. A forrester offered to do an an assessment and recomendation for 7%. My grandfather told him that he would give him 10% if the forester found him the best deal and set it up so that all my grandfather had to do was sign. They cleared the smaller trees out and let the larger ones grow a few more years. Then the rest of the trees were cleared. My grandparents ended up making just over 15% more than they expected by doing that way so the forester paid for himself and all my grandparents had to do was sign some papers.
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03/08/08, 07:46 PM
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It seems that if you are bringing in animals you're going to need fences and possibly more structures. These trees are PERFECT for vertical log buildings. Sounds like a gift horse.
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03/09/08, 08:37 AM
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I'd be upset if I lived in the windbreak of those trees and you clear cut them.
It looks like it could effect yours and especially all the houses between yours and the bit of water. The one property two drives down looks to only have those trees as the sole windbreak on the prpoerty if the wind blows towards the water.
Thinning and replanting more desirables would go over better with the neighbors.
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03/09/08, 09:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Common Tator
In California, ............................... a healthy forest the ideal is to look at the ground and see 80% of it in the sun, and 20% of it in the shade.
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The key to that is you are in Califonia,Here in IL they tell us NO sunlight should reach the ground.
Its proably a function of WATER and species
The OP here is working with a small pice of land .
If he really is interested in live stock Id drastically thin these so that they would be a natural shelter .Id proably buy a lot of my feed.
BUT
If its really pasture you want Id do whatever I thought was the prettyest pasture I could
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03/09/08, 10:44 AM
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God does answer prayers
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Save the trees and just use enough for your self. Pine boards and such, you just have to plan a head if you need lumber as to cutting them for your self.
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05/26/11, 12:00 AM
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In the west, N. Idaho & E. Washington, white pine trees bring some of the highest prices for lumber. The lumber is beautiful, people use it for interior walls in houses, I have custom made kitchen cabinets. Wouls be a shame in this part of the country anyway to make pulp from white pine.
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05/26/11, 02:28 PM
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fence posts. thin the trees and limb up the remaining trees enough to grow some grass and put a cow or pig or goat on the grass. Use the live trees as fence posts to run your electric strands. For the money and ease of installation, you'll never have a better fence post than a live tree.
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05/26/11, 07:56 PM
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Look around and see if telephone pole mil is around. You would be surprised at how much they will buy strait pine for. if not then a pole mill that can use that size pole.
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05/26/11, 09:33 PM
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Everyone does realize this a four year old thread, right?
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05/29/11, 11:47 AM
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Everyone does realize this a four year old thread, right?
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LOL - Yes, Of course I do...now.
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05/29/11, 12:25 PM
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First thing people do when they move in is make a big mess and a lot of ruckus cutting down stuff the neighbors are used to seeing. I wouldn’t do anything till you lived there a while. You come up with a whole lot of ideals when you look at something everyday.
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05/29/11, 07:06 PM
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