2007 Corn Crop

Well, the corn prices are NOT falling at the feed store around here.

Dec corn is over 4 bucks.

That is on the market. so add .50 to it for the consumer and maybe .25 for retail.

Around here hay is ok for now. WE WILL BE VERY SHORT this winter on hay.

Dairy hay for Jan delivery is NOT AVAILABLE. Commercial feed is cheaper then hay for Jan delivery.

The hay producers in Nevada and Idaho have all their harvests spoken for.

I have never seen this before.

Think about it. Even the brewers have had to raise their prices. Barley was our croped by corn.

High acre of corn plantring will soon or later cause a shortage of water . The water levels are all ready low.Water will become our most important commodity.In some countries you can't even drink the stuff.

Don't blame the corn farmers for water shortages...... blame the rich people who buy up land and build big houses with irrigated lawns and swimming pools, then get ag exemptions so they can dodge taxes.....blame all the pilgrims on here who get their"homestead" and drill wells that drain the water table.......apparently according to the fine folks who use this forum, REAL farmers and ranchers who produce cheap yetsafe high quality food for the American public aren't supposed to use water, spread manure or anything else that isn't approved of;at the same time we shouldn't expect to at least make a living like everyone else does.Obviously this forum isn't for people that farm for a living, just wannabes.....

my wonderful sweet corn crop was decimated by a single, determined squirrel. i know that other critters are partial to corn: coons, possums, deer, birds, and feral hogs. is corn theft by wild critters something that is tolerated or do yall go after them.

I don't row crop, Milkinpigs but I understand exactly what you are saying. And I amen it.

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That single determined squirrel is likely to be 6 ravenous squirrels next year.

I used to have a nice bunch of sunflowers growing on my patio. Year one, it took the squirrels several weeks before they discovered them and chewed all the flowers off.

The following year, I planted sunflowers. One morning before work I was excited to see the big sunny blossoms open up. I came home that evening to find empty stalks!

The following year after that I stopped planting, but they discovered a way into my attic and chewed a hole through the ceiling. I trapped the pregnant mother and had all entrances sealed off. Hopefully there won't be any more comeing back.

[QUOTE=daytrader]Dec corn is over 4 bucks.

That is on the market. so add .50 to it for the consumer and maybe .25 for retail.

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No way.

Dec(CZ7) -.34 3.09 Dec-07

This is from my coop page, the offer for Friday. They would pay me $3.09 for December corn. The trade would be 34 cents higher, but those are imaginary dollars. Most everyone in corn growing country has a negative basis. As well, the overnight trade is down 5 and a 1/2 cents right now, so coop opening offer likely will be less than that $3.09.

I'll sell you all the corn you want, up to 10,000 bu, for 75 cents over what my elevator offers me!

I've been trying to sell some corn for $4, can't get it done. There is no real offer for real grain at that price in southern MN. My orders have been there since January......

--->Paul

[QUOTE=rambler][QUOTE=daytrader]Dec corn is over 4 bucks.

That is on the market. so add .50 to it for the consumer and maybe .25 for retail.

We're at $3.13 Canadian today for December, almost exacly $3 US. Got 30-35,000 bushels unspoken for. We're at -30 basis now.
Just wishing I had more ground that could be ready for winter wheat, just booked 150 tonnes SRWW for next year at $185/tonne. Got neighbours with wheat contracted out to 2011.

THere ya go! tell 'em how it is

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add this drought to the mix.

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[QUOTE=rambler][QUOTE=daytrader]Dec corn is over 4 bucks.

That is on the market. so add .50 to it for the consumer and maybe .25 for retail.

Why didn't you sell it before you even put it in the ground?

You are right. Corn on Dec contracts is down to about 3.50.

Seems that China is adding a extra 200 million Bu EXTRA to capacity this year. Also, looks like a bumper crop for corn in the US. Most of the genetic modified corn can be used for ethonal. China has caught on. North Korea is said to be looking at HUGE corn out take in 2009. I guess we will have to wait and see.

My big push is for using OTHER items for the ethonal production. Not corn seeds. The plant is great for it. The seed is needed in many other items.

Bale the plant up and use it for the ethonal production. Just most plants being built are for the corn seed, not the fiver materials like we should be using.

Also, the increased land use for the corn production is hurting many in the pocket books in other prices. I have not looked at wheat. I normally play the corn and the new hay market. Futers have been good to me, BUT this year I was way wrong. The weather got many of us.

I do not grow any corn. I trade the contracts and that is it.
I just see how folks hate paying .5 a gallon more for gasoline. They have no problem paying 1.39 for a bottle of pop.

Maybe folks will wake up when their beer cost them 2 bucks more a 12 pack. Due to shortages in barley.

I guess you are working with the paper fun money trading.

Has very little relation to actual grain prices. you need to factor in basis, which changes about daily as well. Real corn for me has never been $4 a bush in this century. I'm sure the imaginary paper stuff you play with has.


I think using grains for ethanol or biodiesel or corn furnaces is a wonderful thing. It sure won't be the only answer, or the biggest answer - but it sure beats doing nothing.

If you have the science in your back pocket to tell us how to actually get positive energy from fermentiong fiber crops (corn stalks, switch grass, wood waste, etc.) and you have an idea on how to handle that tremendous amount of fiber easily, _please_ let us all know! Those are the hang-ups on actually doing it - it doesn't work yet! (Sarcastic paragraph - typing with a grin & wink....)

Tennessee is building a 1/4 scale fiber plant and subsidising swich grass plantings (takes 3 years for that crop to come into it's own...) to see if it can be made to work. Switch grass potentially grows better in the SE USA, so in those corn-short areas it might offer a good way to get some eccomonic growth & farm produced fuel going.

I'm _alllll_ for it, bring it on. We'll have other issues, of mining the soil of it's fiber & will need to watch those things - but I do have hopes they can make it work someday.

Just, we can't build those plants yet - so far in the lab & on paper, they are net energy _losers_.

Unlike corn ethanol, which returns 134% of the energy put into it.

--->Paul

There are much more economical ways to produce ethanol than what is proposed in the U.S., but when you have a govt that has been sucking up to the corn growers for so long, I guess it's pretty hard to do a turn-around.

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Corn is a much needed item. Just not for seed use in ethonal. Sugar is much better for corn. We would just have to get rid of the reason the sugar tax is were it is.

many are bitching about the price of corn and corn subsidies, and the cost of various items, and the way the Government, is involved,

I never heard much complaint when the cheap food polices were being enforced and controlled, now by what looks like a step to abandon the cheap food policies of the past 60+ years, (why was the farmer subsidized, for cheap food, as well as food security),

if you look what other commercial business has a federal cabinet level department, AGRICULTURE, yes agriculture, and what happens every 7 years or so a new agriculture bill is debated and passed.

now when you have a cabinet level department how can one have free enterprise, in that area, also when ever ever major country has a similar level of control over there AG production and commodities, where food is used as a weapon as will as a carrot on a stick, for foreign diplomacy,

I do not understand how some one thinks it can be "free or fair trade".
NOTE: FREE TRADE AND FAIR TRADE is not the same thing.

You have governments (not jsut ours) subsidizing all over the place, you have tariffs and blockades of products,

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yes the corn farmer will probably get some subsidy for last years crops, as the prices were below the government's target prices, and the payment are spread out over a number of years, but there are not going to be much for subsidies for this years crops, (why you may ask it is above the target price), what is the target price, it is similar to a minimum wage for grain. the government's figures of a break even price for raising it,

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do you get any tax breaks, ever get a child tax credit, (you have been subsidized by the federal government), who turned you child tax credits back in, go on raise your hand so all can see, OH NO ONE DID, WHY you received a subsidy from the federal government, you should not have had that help the government did not tell you to have kids, HU did they, and it was not fair, some people got more than I did as they had more kids, and those kids were a negative energy draw, they took more food and oil, and clothes than the family down the street that only had one child, and now look at how productive some of them are, some are still pulling down the system they are in jail, and still costing tax payers, still being subsidized, they should not have been allowed to have kids, (and all the negative energy that went in to raising theses families, and kids, the number of shoes, why the oil it take to produce a pair of shoes, they should not be wasting oil on shoes and then shoes for subsidized kids, especially for the ones whose parents that get subsidies, (child tax credits).

it should be free enterprise, if they want kids they should not ever look to or take government help and no one should ever take a tax refund either, that is another subsidy, somebody gets more than I do, and it is those large families that get it all, and the rich, (hum I bet they may pay more taxes too),

why should I be made to help pay of some one who doesn't know how to use a condom, and the GOVERNMENT IS AT FAULT, and BIG BUSINESS, if they stopped needing employees, and constituents, that would solve the problems of people having kids that use more energy than they produce, why would any one choose to use kids, look they need sleep and food, and clothes, they have less BTU's than adults, why not jsut skip kids and have adults, that would solve all the problems,

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some where in our society some how the thinking has got confused, and we seem to think that NECESSITIES should be nearly free or very low cost,

I have never head of outrage on the price of a movie ticket, or the cost of a pack of smokes, or beer even the price of a ticket to a ball game,
or even the price of concessions at at entertainment event. or even the cost of TV, or the price of a new FLAT screen TV, I have seen the big ones going out of walmart by the cart full. Even the price of CARS. I don't see any one picketing or writing slander towards the one making the products or selling them like in the ethanol situation,

but the price of milk goes up, WOW, or the price of bread, even tho even the wrapper still cost more than the grain in most of the products,

This country still has one of the lowest costs of food of any where in the world, and still a very steady supply, yes things are changing and finally for the farmer some increases in prices, after 35 years of working in the same narrow price range while everything else around him has gone up over 10 fold, finally his prices are slowly climbing,

I bet last time you got a raise you nearly turned it down, YOU DID NOT, WHY WHAT COULD YOU NEED ALL THAT EXTRA MONEY FOR,

why did you not just keep with the early 1970 wages you had then, HUM, were they not enough, I DON"T under stand, why not, you greedy Ba$tard, why would you want to make a living, there some thing has to be wrong with you. you should not need any subsidies or minimum wage, you should either sink or swim,

D@mn FARMERS ANY WAY, make sure you say that with you mouth full,

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one more thing I don't think ethanol is perfect either, but it is a start, we need to wean our country off of imported oils, (peak oil, wars) (side note: WAR is a very BIG SUBSIDY for big oil),

If for some reason there is a blockage (middle east, south of the boarder), etc, and there is a shortage of crude, I think you will be thinking that ethanol that will burn in your current car or truck is mighty fine stuff.

is it the long term answer, I don't think so, but it is a start, and I am sure there will be more technologies to come, but are they on line NOW< NO they are NOT, but ethanol is.
what should have been done is back after the 1970 oil embargo things should have been put in to real research and production, with the fervor of the Going to the moon space program, and these current problems would not even being discussed, but that was not done and now 35 years later were playing catchup, and the transition is not as smooth as one would like, but some good coming out of it, Other technologies are being developed, and there is a defiant concern about creating a reliable supply.

may be $10 dollar a gallon gasoline and diesel is better than $4.00 corn, I don't know you tell me.

OH and I don't farm CORN jsut for the record. I jsut bought $500 worth of it to feed my animals with yesterday.

This probably had nothing to do with anything you guys are talking about...so forgive my ignorance. Did any of you have problems finding hands to detassle??? I am thinking of organizing something, but I need some feed back for next year. Thanks.

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In volume - how?

Beets are a miserable, expensive, touchy crop to grow - enough are grown just north of me. Takes the right kind of soil & climate. We don't have so much of that ground in the USA.

Cane is even less so - Hawaii & the southern coast of the USA can d o it - pretty small # of acres available tho!

What else?

Corn you pull the starch out, continue to feed the fiber & protien, & you have a pretty good system.

If we had a tropical climate like Brazil, sure, works great.

We use what we have available.

--->Paul

Do you raise hybred seed corn? The rest of us don't need to detassel.

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