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Old 02/04/07, 09:20 AM
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"Our government is borrowing 584 Billion dollars a year
Our government is spending 497 Billion dollars a year on illegal aliens"

Do you have a cite for those numbers?

On wood slaves houses bear in mind slavery ended something like 140 years ago. Unless they were intentionally maintained likely no wood building would have survived to recent times. I believe they are still searching for the former slave quarters areas at the Hermitage in Nashville.

A saying locally is an outbuilding will stand as long as it has a good roof. Let in one leak and it will likely be on the ground within a couple of years. I suspect the old slave cabins would of had wood shingles, which, even if Chestnut, are unlikely to have endured long.

Even on stone rooms with rings in the wall. They may have only been used for a period of time to allow new slaves to become accustomed to the idea they weren't at their old place any longer. Basically what I do with incoming cattle by keeping them in the corral for several days before letting them out with the herd. Or, who can say, they may not have been used to constrain livestock, rather than humans.

One other comment on slaves. From what I have read "White" slave traders did very little capturing on their own. It was largely either Arab slavers (which didn't particularly care of the color of the skin of those they captured for resale) or Africans themselves captured their fellow countrymen and offered them to sale at various coastal slave ports.

Been a long time since I read "Roots", but it seems like Kunta Kinei (sp?) was sold into slavery by the tribal chief since he was sniffing around some of his harem.
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Old 02/04/07, 11:26 AM
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I like those pics, Rock. My neighbor across the street has an 1800 acre ranch with an old plantation site on it and remains of slave quarters, etc.. plus a slave cemetary. Some day I will ask him if I can take some pics. But he is a really snooty rich guy from Connecticutt. Don't really like him enough to ask a favor of him.
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Old 02/04/07, 02:18 PM
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"Our government is borrowing 584 Billion dollars a year
Our government is spending 497 Billion dollars a year on illegal aliens"

Do you have a cite for those numbers?
I got the 584 Billion dollars from a news story. I didn't keep a link to it, but it shouldn't be hard to find.
The 497 Billion is the total I came up with when I added up the numbers from an article called HOW MUCH FURTHER INTO THIS NIGHTMARE?.
The list is just under 1/2 way down the page. I'm sure the numbers change often so I probably should add "aprox." to the totals.
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Old 02/04/07, 02:38 PM
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By the way, if they were all crammed into small quarters - donuts to dollars, they were illegals. The Americans who are of Mexican descent usually don't live that way. None I have ever seen and I live in Texas.
I've known legal immigrants who lived that way--poor is poor, legal or not--they were working hard and saving their money the best they could so their kids could have it better. One of the kids was in my high school math class. I went over to her family's apartment to work on homework together one day, and was amazed by all the people buzzing in and out. She said they slept in shifts.

I wasn't saying anyone brought those Mexican people here in chains, of course. It's not the same as slavery. Their daily living conditions probably weren't much better than the slaves', which is mainly what I was commenting on, but they were free people with all the rights of you and me, so of course it's a whole different ballgame. Whether they were legal or not (and I'm assuming they were legal, since nobody ever said any different), they must've left something pretty bad for their lifestyle here to have been an improvement. It's a sad sight, and a sad statement, is all I'm saying. I admire their work ethic, and their good nature, in the face of such tough conditions.
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Old 02/04/07, 06:31 PM
 
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hisenthlay,

As I said, if these Mexicans were living that many to a house, it would more than likely have been illegals.

I have empathy for anyone. Since, however, it has been the illegal problem has been with us in this part of the country for the last 20 years, it is a very sore spot with me.

Their work ethic, sure. Some are very nice people. That really changes nothing about their illegality.

While I wish them no bad luck, I reserve my sympathy for the American families being harmed by this travesty our government is allowing and encouraging.

The Americans who once were doing these jobs. YEs, they were. That job was being done before they came. I saw the chicken industry workers, the dairy workers, etc., loose their jobs when the illegals came. Now I am seeing the bank workers, the computer workers, the teacher's aides, insurance offices, medical field, etc. In large cities in TExas, illegals do all the construction work. They are starting businesses. They do not have to meet the same restrictions as Americans do. Just grab yourself a truck, a ladder, a couple of hammers and you are a roofer. The same with landscaping.

There was recently a report many of these small businesses were actually fronts for drug money.

The American whose taxes have increased greatly, whose healthcare has increased greatly, whose auto insurance has increased tremendously, and the children whose educational resources have been diverted to educated these children with special needs.

Then we might feel sorry for the many Americans that are killed by DUI of illegals, the rapes and child molestation. Yes, Americans do all this, but this is a problem amount the illegals. It is pretty well believed here in TExas that Mexico 'helps' it's prisoners across the border when they get released.

We have plenty of criminals of our own. WE do not need to become a haven for more.

Also, I know many Americans with a great worth ethic - despite what the politicians are feeding you.
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Old 02/04/07, 07:37 PM
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Boy I tell you Illegal Mexicans are on so many peoples minds lately it isn't hard for talk of them to sneak in anywhere.

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