RFID ink

My point is a homestading issue.... This ink could allow the elimination and expense of rfid tags, applied in the farrowing house with an eliminate of the infection risk associated with a ear tagging misktake. I didn't like how the post jumped to hitler and tagging people as way to shut up people who were not opposed to the New INK. Those picture were in poor taste... I was not happy that the discussion went nasty. My point was how did a few people not buying your arguement merit the hitler pictures. The process i was talking about was the mental leap that made posting that garbage alright

As I attempt to understand the viewpoints of others, I would like to know what personal information do you believe the USDA wants from you? It isn't like they want your Social Security number, credit card numbers or checking account balance. To register your premise is just your name and address, with the location as it is presented geographicly. Many land surveys today are aided by GPS as an acurate way of locating a specific point. To those of us that don't deal with GPS, it can seem scary. Take a moment and read thru www.libertyark.com and read the recent news articles on the left side of the page.
This RFID ink wasn't developed by the government. It was developed by a company that saw a demand for this new product. Ear tags are quick and cheap, but an injected RFID at a tatoo site couldn't get caught on something and ripped off and for those concerned about appearance, it is hidden.

Here's a quote from the article:

"The technology could verify that cuts of meat originated in a hormone-free environment, Pydynowski said, adding that consumers would destroy the system by breaking down the ink when chewing the meat."


O.K.
My question is: Do I want to eat this stuff?

Hmmmm ...

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[QUOTE=haypoint]As I attempt to understand the viewpoints of others ... To those of us that don't deal with GPS, it can seem scary. Take a moment and read thru www.libertyark.com and read the recent news articles on the left side of the page. ... QUOTE]

The link you give is not the link to the Liberty Ark Coalition.

Here is the correct link:

http://libertyark.net/

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Why do we have to jump immeadiately to Nazi concentration camps? The photos were tasteless and simply done for shock value. Tattooing has been around for thousands of years. Just because the Nazi's tattooed prisoners does not mean tattooing is inherently evil. Ear tags could also be used on humans - much like the stars and other symbols Nazi's forced Jews and Gypsys to wear. I do not hear you screaming about the evils of putting ear tags on cattle and the slippery slope to the govt ear tagging humans. Your beef is with NAIS and govt registration being unconstitutional and you certainly have a good case for that - it is intrusive and uncalled for. But calling a clever tattooing technology designed essentially for cattle an attack on your constitutional rights and vowing to fight it to the death just sounds, well, silly. And it takes away from what should be the focus of your efforts and message - NAIS. Again, if NAIS did not exist, would you even be mentioning this technology? I doubt it.

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True as this is just a new technology and that is handier then tattooing or some kind of Ear Tag that may fall off and get lost. This is not even any inconveniences. Just a new concept in doing something that has been done for years, that is all.

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Caberjim,

I am fairly regularly against the "Ad NAZIum" type of argument also, but as I stated before the developer of the process brought up tatooting humans and I think the logical thought progression is if this ink is used because it can be detected 4 feet away, then it would be used for detecting humans if used on humans.

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The draft is unconstitutional too. If I were a young man instead of an old granny... I wouldn't sign up today. This whole world is spinning into insanity and I find it hard to believe that so many people are totally ignorant of what is happening and so many are willfully blind to it, so that they can remain comfortable. Our true responsibility is to end tyranny, especially within our own country and to die for that if necessary. Any takers? There is a reason we face what we do today. When our forefathers said that freedom must be watered with the blood of patriots, they meant against tyranny HERE, not in imperialistic wars overseas. Wake up.

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The biggest problem I have with this is they say it takes 5-10 sec. to tatoo an animal with no apparent marks. The only way you would know if it was tagged is with a reader. I don't like the idea of eating it either.

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We can already tattoo humans, so what does it matter if the tattoo is RFID or not? From 4 feet away, you can read a tattoo with your eyes. If you want to track or detect a human, 4 feet of range is not going to do you any good. IDing a dead body, sure; so I can see how their sales dept would latch onto the idea of trying to market this product to the military. My point is that making a tattoo RFID is not suddenly going to bring back the era of Nazi govts numbering the population. It changes nothing in terms of humans. It only makes reading and tracking cattle easier.

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Very Good Post~! caberjim

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If we are under Despotism, it is our duty to throw off such Government and to provide new Guards for our future security. Of course that means the government that we personally are under and not some other! So... who will take that responsibility? I can't even find people willing to admit the state we are in today.

First we must honestly and unflinchingly face the condition of this country today. Then we need to do whatever is necessary to throw off tyranny.

Instead I read over and over the platitudes of those willing to accept having this government in their back pockets as if it were God. The US government does not need to be omnipresent, it lacks the capabilities to do that righteously. It cannot protect us from terrorism and it will become a greater tyranny than any "terrorist" group could possibly be, as they come from outside and we accept these things over our heads from the inside of this country.

To be honest, as I speak my heart and mind on these bulletin boards, I fully expect to pay some consequence for doing so. When I refuse to take a National ID card, I expect that some day it will greatly affect my life and my freedom. I believe that the blood of Patriots, true Patriots that love what this country was meant to be, will be shed in prisons by unjust men. Of course I hope that won't happen, but I know I must be prepared to accept that if I speak out against what is happening here today.

I am also very aware that the hearts of the people (in general) in this country today are such that they will willingly accept whatever they are told is good for them without even a thought of truly searching out what it is that is being done to them or why, just so that they can be comfortable and not have to fear losing a job, losing security, losing the respect of their neighbors or whatever. Mostly I see this country deserves to be run by incompetent or evil men that are out for their own gain to satisfy the lusts of their flesh for power, money, acclaim or respect of men. Don't we have the rulers we deserve and we have asked for?

I have a lot more questions than answers, but I am glad that at least some others are also willing to ask them.

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It is easy to create an image of the government (or anything, anybody) as a monster, dictatorship, etc. if we only view it from afar. As an American you have access to most parts of our government. We don't have access to top secret parts of the pentagon,etc. of course. If you were to actually see and talk to the people you group togetheras "the government" I think you would change your mind. If you are concerned about NAIS, visit a USDA office and talk with the staff there. If you object to a proposed law, contact your represenative in your state's capital or Washington. Find out both sides of the issue then make your wishes known.
I know alot about a few state agencies, Corrections (Prisons, mostly), Natural Resorces and Agriculture. I was amazed at the areas and responsibilities just these agencies have. While I am very conservative politically, I see a lot of hard working people doing a job few would want, helping make my community safer and using my tax wisely. If you prefer to view these people at a distance, all you see is what's in your imagination, Prison guards either beating prisoners or sitting on their arrs, DNR writing tickets for unlicenced fishermen and people picking on the small farmer. That's an awful distorted and narrow view. Go take a close look at your government.
We can look back and see things that our government did that was bad. Hindsight is 20-20. Everyone has done bad things in their lives, everyone has made mistakes, too. If we were afraid to make a mistake, we'd be too afraid to move. We all live our lives trying to do the best we can, I expect that from my government, too.
To be afraid of an ink with a RFID, to make the leap that our government is even thinking of giving it to humans is a foolish pursuit in paranoia.

As I recall, the original post was about RFID tattoos.

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If you are within 4 feet of a cow you can read an ear tag too... so how does that help?

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you can read a clean, still attached, eartag on a cow facing the right direction and moving slowly.... if you will use a RFID reader one time....you will chuckle anytime you see somebody reaching in trying clean or turn a eartag, then getting crap thrown in their face... take the gov't issue out of it. A manure beauty smudge isn't a good look for me.

I have talked with my government, to no avail. Any time I called to discuss this issue I was passed around, put off and hung up on. When talking with the folks in person it was close to the same reaction.
Now, I am no stranger to the works of government myself, as I have lobbied several issues with the State before and have seen one issue turn about because of my groups efforts. But, I do know that it is NOT easy for a person or persons to get the government to listen.... after all they know what is best for us.
right?
I have objected to many laws, and been ignored.
This is not a pursuit of paranoia, it is a pursuit of reality. Lots of folks just havent seen the whole truth of it yet.

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Umm, did you read the article? That is already mentioned as a possibility. Think how handy it will be to read an invisible tattoo on those prison inmates electronically and monitor it with computers? Don't know why they haven't already brought that up... too bad if you carry that with you for the rest of your life and can be tracked every time you enter a store or buy gas or whatever.

Also, there is talk of a 4' range. We've heard about short distances rfid chips are supposed to be read at... but on one of those cop shows (I think America's Most Wanted) they showed them tracking a man by the rfid chips in his tires - from a satellite! Now, I have nothing against them catching crooks, but they are clearly lying about the distance that a signal can be traced at and THAT bothers me a lot. If they lie about the chips in our tires, they will certainly lie about anything else they feel like.

To promote the use of rfid ink making readable tattoos in our livestock today is to promote the use of that sort of thing in people later - after all, they proved it safe in livestock! I don't like it. We don't need more and more fancy and sophisticated surveillance tools. We need to be free and for our privacy to be protected. If the technology exists, you can be sure someone will want to use it for the control of the citizens of our country - for our own good, of course! Riiiigggghhhht! I sure don't see a lot of people standing up to even hold that back.

Today many things are commonplace that were unthinkable a few years back. It just goes faster and faster.

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