Guns in homes with children

Ahh but see so many think that teaching a child not to touch doesnt work anymore. Not sure when Kids lost the ablity to learn but it does seem many think it impossible for children to follow direction. In stead of teaching them they would rather lock the guns up out of site and never meantion them to the kids . The same kids that are likely setting infrot of a tv playing some shootem up video game that mom or dad ot them . Then the parents are shocked when the kids finds the gun and tries to play the video game in reallife . They were never taught that theres not a reset button on real people . dad might take them to play paintball and shoot anyone that shows up but again a real gun isnt paint ball . we dont point or shoot any weapon at anything we dont plan the kill other than targets . I dont allow video games, and the only toy gun allowed is a squirtgun (that doesnt look like a gun )
Its been proven in numerous studies that children raised with firearms in plain sight . Will bring a gun to the attention of an adult rather than playing with it . Where as a child who has only seen a gun in the movies will often pick it up or even hide it from an adult and play with it .
While our long guns are for the most part loaded and in plain sight the two pistols we own are barrel locked when not in use . Im really not a fan of pistols they are designed to kill people and have little other use .

I also grew up with loades guns in the home. Now that I have grand kids they come over and there are loaded guns in the house.

You are in the best judge as to wheather your kids are responsible to be aroung guns. If they are then keep losded guns aroun but if they are not then do not have a gun at all. What good is a unloades gun locked in a place and the amunition locked in another place? All you can do is to plan to go hunting since everything else will be over when you find the key and unlocked the gun and find the key and get the amunition and losd it.

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I'm from TX and my father taught me how to shoot and treat guns with respect, not a toy, a killing weapon. Look what it does to the thing you just shot. Target or animal. We had loaded guns behind the doors all the time for "varmints", snakes, feral dog packs attacking the livestock. Do you want to go searching for keys, getting everything like putting together a puzzle while your horses, chickens or cows are getting eating, torn up, ripped apart and dying before you get out the door? If ANY kid did not ask or tell the adult that they were going to touch or use it, they'd get thier but whipped and if stupid enough to misuse it, does not get near it again or get out. We were told that being kids we still should have the brains enough to think about our actions, be an adult.

IMHO kids not learning followed very closely behind parents being told they were not supposed to spank their kids. When I was a kid- if we were caught playing with a gun(or in the room where they were kept)- we got our behinds blistered(spanked with a belt) and we NEVER touched the guns! We knew the consequences of it. Nowadays- kids don't have to deal with the consequences because their parents are too busy sheltering them from the real world to teach them that consequences occur!

Just my humble opinion- not meant to offend anyone or step on anyones toes....my kids will know better....

Tonya

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I've never spanked my kids, and they (homeschooled) have learned just fine. To my knowledge, they've never abused the right to bear arms. But they're kids, (I have triplet 17 yr olds, I consider myself an expert), they're kids with friends I consider good kids, but still kids. Kids make poor choices lots of times. I'd hate to imagine them making an impulsive choice with a firearm. I know what kids are capable of. However, "blistering" them isn't necessary and is known not to an effective learning aid - it teaches fear, not respect.

I'm sure you think your kids will know better - everyone does. And then you read tons of threads on this very board about kids who won't do their homework, won't listen, are surely and slovenly teens who don't respect anyone or anything - are you going to spank them then?

I shelter my kids somewhat from the "real world" by homeschooling, by living in a rural area - I'm missing your point completely.

Spanked with a belt? That's child abuse, pure and simple, and I'm offended by having to read it here and by having someone suggest that it's the way to teach children.

You are reading more to my post than there is.....I NEVER suggested anyone spank their kid with a belt. I said it happened to ME as a kid IF I messed with the guns- I knew better.

I did not intend to suggest that anyone should spank their kids. I may have chosen my words poorly. What I do suggest is teaching kids that there are consequences for their actions..... ie. "If you point a gun at something and pull the trigger- it will DIE." If you drink and drive you will die or kill someone else. If you hit your toe with a hammer- it will hurt.... Kids are so wrapped up in TV and video games that they do not realize there is not a reset button. That is where parents are failing their kids. They should also be consistent with their kids- whatever punishment they choose. Corporal or otherwise.
I do spank my 6 year old and will spank my 1 year old when she is older....IF NEEDED I do not abuse my kids and do not condone(sp) abuse in any shape or form. My spankings are with my hand and it hurts their pride far more than their rear ends. I do not spank often, but if I give the warning to stop or get spanked- they know to stop.

I commend you for homeschooling. I do not consider that sheltering your kids. I consider that a wonderful gift to them. I am considering homeschooling my 1 year old. My ex-husband will not allow me to homeschool my oldest. He thinks going to public school is the best for her. I disagree, but....
Sheltering is not informing them (fully) of the consequences to their actions. Or that there are bad things everywhere and to remember their upbringing/teachings from mom and dad. To teach them that pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger will KILL THAT PERSON.

If it is offensive- I will delete my post. I did not intend for it to be taken the way you did. I was offering an opinion. If it is not wanted- so be it. It will be removed- just say the word.

Tonya

Just for the record- my daughter does her homework, listens well and loves to help me garden and cook along with other things. She also knows her limits and respects authority and her elders. She says "yes m'am" and "yes sir" and knows her manners. AND- she knows to come get an adult if there is a gun unattended. She proved this when her idiot father left his loaded 9mm under his pillow and she found it. Instead of picking it up- she immediately went and got him and told him it needed to be put up.

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Well considering Doctor Spock was the father of the spare the rod movement and he himself has came to the conclussion that "Time out and reasoning" are not effective . Or did you miss his public apology.
A spanking teaches cause and effect , explain the diference between fear and respect . I respected the fact that if I did something wrong my mom would apply a firm hand to my backside as a reminder. I never feared my mother but understood what would happen if I didnt follow her rules .
As for spanking not teaching look at the decline of respect for others and others property since the spare the rod movement took over . You can call it fear if you want but when I was in school kids didnt cuss or back talk teachers , they called the sir and mam because disrespect was delt with quickly and involved a paddle being applied to the area that typicly carries a kids brain. .

Their is a way to punish the children by spanking that is not child abuse and I have no mercy for anyone that does not think so.

You never hit a child while in anger. You never hit them expept on the butt. You never leave a mark of any kind.

Those that think that you should never hit a child at all are the problem that will never go away. You are guilty by child abuse if you never corect a child by spanking them.

What you do is to re-enforce the notion that there are no conciquiesen to what you do. This is just as terible as giving them a car and telling them to run over as many people as they can and nothing will be done.

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Actually, it doesn't. It's what some SAY happens, but being one of "those" kids, I can tell you that there is a world of difference between the ABUSED child learning fear and a DISCIPLINED child learning respect.

My dad never "spared the rod", and my God, we MINDED. If we were told to do something, we DID it, we didn't stand back and ask fourteen questions on why, or why not. We never said "I don't want to...", and if told to NOT do something, we minded, as well. We never spoke back -- we knew what would happen if we did, but Dad was nothing if not consistent.

But there are few men in the world who I have more respect for -- and I can honestly say that, at the age of 37, I adore him as much now as I did as a child. He's a wonderful man, who adores us back, and would do anything for any one of us. He's a devoted father, grandfather, and Ggrandfather, and there isn't one of us who wouldn't do ANYTHING for him. Fear him? No. Respect him? Absolutely.

I *DID* spank my kids, and you know what? Past preschool there was no need to. My children were taught respect and to mind EARLY, and I have never had to worry about it since. My boys wouldn't DREAM of questioning a direct instruction. They do it. If they don't know WHY they're doing it, they're free to ask, respectfully -- but while they're getting it done, not "Why should I?"

I recognize that corporal punishment isn't for all families, but it worked for us, and I have to say, I would never worry about my children behaving in a way that I wouldn't want them to. They've been brought up to make good choices, not make stupid impulsive decisions, and they had this instilled EARLY. And yes, spanking was part of that. So was soap in the mouth. Call me what you want, but don't tell me that it doesn't work. It worked for many, many years before Dr Spock decided he knew better.

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My dad had a razor strap he used to make us mind. I feared it as a child, but as an adult, I appreciate that he taught us to be responsible for our actions. We grew up knowing that if we made a mistake, we would be taught right, but if we deliberately disobeyed, we were punished. The prisons are full of people who never learned that lesson when they were children.

Some times fear is the only deterent that many people respect. What keeps us from killing each other is the fear that if we do it we will be killed our self. Some times fear is the only thing that keeps us from doing something wrong. Fear of being locked away for a long time, Fear of being ostosized by doing the deed.

The younger needs to be afraid of certian things, That is a part of growing up. You fear touching anything hot because you will be burnt. You fear punishment because you will feel some pain.

I would not propose that you spank your child but not to be suprised if you have problems with them.

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religion is its self based on fear either follow the teaching or you burn forever in hell .
a spanking is feared that makes a kid think twice about doing something they know is wrong .
Lets not forget the immortal words of nearly every mother .
"you could have been hurt or worse ,you ever do such a thing again I'll kill ya"
Not quite But we've all heard simular

Well, dang. When I got home from work Tonya told me that ya'll were havin' a hellraisin' about whether or not to beat the kids. Here's my .02.
I raised 5 kids before I met Tonya (and her daughter, Summer). We fell in love, got married, blah, blah, blah. Eventually we had Mackenna(now just short of 13 mo. old).
I've never hit any of my kids with anything other than my hand on anything other than their butt except in one circumstance where the word was so foul, the 17 year old took a direct hit- open hand to the mouth.
I'm restricted by the court, at the demand of her father, to never lay a hand on Summer. No problem. He's her dad and I respect, but don't necessarily agree with, his choice. Judge didn't say anything about giving her a stern lecture and telling her that when Mom got home she'd be reminded, enforce, in an appropriate manner.
When I was still living with or near my first five kids I was frequently complimented on how well behaved they were. My response was generally, "tell them, not me. They're the ones being well behaved." Whenever asked how come they were so well behaved and were spankings a way to go, my response was, "I don't have to beat my kids, because they know I will." One of my kids got one spanking in her life. That's it. My boys were a little slow on the uptake and it's a wonder they can sit down now(10 years since the last time) without thinking about it. One of my boys runs his own framing crew, with a firm hand, I'm told. My other boy is a Sergeant in the Marine Corps, has served in Israel, Afghanistan, Korea and some stuff he refuses to tell me. My oldest daughter is married has 4 kids and very happy. My next daughter is married, expecting her first child, working with her husband on a horse farm, and very happy. My next youngest daughter(17) has just quit school, is very confused about what she needs to do in life and hates my guts.(she got a total of three spankings and, if I could get to NY to see her, the ----- whoopin' of a lifetime would result(for her and my ex). My next youngest daughter is Mackenna. Oooh, how cute! Oooh, what a sweetie! Well, the temper on the little wonder broke out the other night. She got shoved by one of the dogs and started to punch the dog in the face. Remember now, Mackenna is 13 months and has never seen corporal punishment in any form, other than a swatted hand for touching "bad things", so don't start that "learned behaviour" crap cuz it's Crap! She has never witnessed her sister getting spanked either.
So, you ask, what did I do? ---- right! Picked her up, spun her around, threw her over my knee, and whap, whap, whap. Three quick ones on the diaper. She never felt it but she knew exactly what was up. Is that child abuse? No. Wanna know who says so? Child Protective Services in every state says so.
Wanna know what constitutes child abuse, negligence or child endangerment?
Refusing to discipline your child BEFORE they cause injury or death to themselves or someone else.
Grow up! Then your child has a chance to.

Doug

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I was taught from a young age to respect guns, and even more so to respect what I was told. Wouldn't dare have put a fingerprint on one of my dad's guns. I grew up with them in the house, some loaded. I always treat a gun like it's loaded at all times.

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Yep, it is probably worse to withhold proper discipline from a child than to deny them food.

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Well, we do like to feed them. They're so fun to watch!
"Here, this is a brussels sprout."

Doug

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that is cute .
when my eldest was refusing to eat dinner we found a cure , the same one that cured many a "Sick kid" a teaspoon of codliver oil . it has been amazing she'll eat anything on her plate to avoid the cure

Pyrodon- That's good!

Doug

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I didn't mean to open a can of worms but am glad I did. I got my behind spanked a few times and I never feared my dad or mom for it. I did fear getting whipped again. As many have said don't whip a child, what do you do? I guess it is as much the courts as parents that don't punish disobeyers. I can rember when younger, that people getting out of prison did not want to go back. In those days prisoners were put to work cleang road sides cleaning out ditches or other things. Usually there was a gaurd standing on the back of a truck with a shotgun hoping someone would run. Today the law breakers are housed in ac and have gym time, eat steak, watch tv, and play sports. Wonder why our prisons are full? If todays kids get punished like the people in jail, it is no wonder we have kids that get in thier parents faces and yell at them. Nothing makes me madder than when we do get to eat out our enjoyment is ruined by some kid that will not listen to thier parents and are getting yelled at continuesly. My reasoning is if you can't control your child without distrubing others, keep it protected at home where it bothers no one else. Sorry if I make some one mad but I think I speak the truth. Sam

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That is not what my parents say:

"horses and dogs can be trained with love and pateince,
Women and children are best trained with severe beatings with a switch"