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12/04/06, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by A.T. Hagan
Pets are either property or people. If they are made into people then they should be able to be held criminally liable for their actions when appropriate.
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Right. And if they're "people", next, they'll want to get married!
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12/04/06, 03:28 PM
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We don't need new laws, we need to enforce the laws already in place. There are leash laws. Dogs should be on that leash, period, unless they are in an area that specifically states they do not need to be on leash. Our county law states that the dog must be "under control", that allows LGD's to be loose on private property, assuming they are 'under control'. And I have the right to shoot any dog that comes on to my property and "menaces" my animals. It is up to me to decide if my livestock or pets are being "menaced", but the absolute is, the dog is on my property and not being controlled. Too bad. Dead dog. My dogs aren't wandering on your property, keeps yours off mine.
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12/04/06, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SDjulieinSC
I lost my dog's 1 year ago this month to the "bad" dog food thing. I know it's a slightly different situation but the outcome is the same. I have dead dogs and a broken heart. Also some very empty pockets.
I feel like I am due some sort of compensation if only to stick it to the company who killed my dogs. However the law does not see it that way.
What do you think about this for people like me?
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I never heard of this could you tell us more about what happened?
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12/04/06, 03:46 PM
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I hate to hijack a thread, but I think you can find the story if you look at what I posted last December in the pet forum. If not let me know and I'll fill you in on a new thread. It's a crummy story.
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12/04/06, 04:03 PM
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I don't think I can handle another one of these threads... 
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12/04/06, 04:24 PM
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"I feel like I am due some sort of compensation if only to stick it to the company who killed my dogs. However the law does not see it that way.
What do you think about this for people like me"
You should get the value of the pet ( cost to replace with like breed), any vet bills, and cost the food that you got from the company
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12/04/06, 04:39 PM
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i don't know too many dog owners who have not failed to control their animal 100% of the time. it is hard to run a "jail" where the animal will never ever escape. that is not to say a person should not be held responsible for damages caused by their dogs, it just says that it happens from time to time. i think people should show a bit of patience unless something is actually getting attacked.
about the status as a companion...if a person can be held responsible for assaulting a "police officer" when they defend themselves from a police dog attack, or even a theoretical "capital offense" if the dog is killed, it is not hard to fathom a dog being viewed as a companion.
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12/04/06, 04:49 PM
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i don't know too many dog owners who have not failed to control their animal 100% of the time. it is hard to run a "jail" where the animal will never ever escape.
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Yep sometimes they escape, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
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They got to the church early, so they let the dogs loose
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12/04/06, 05:22 PM
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Oh No!!!
Another LOOSE DOG Thread!!!!
Very simple solution...stop shooting the dogs...use blunt force trauma to kill them...Simply bash their heads with a hammer, break their legs and drop them on the highway after it gets dark...
Just a simple dog got hit by a car scenario.
It'll take a little more work, because you'll have to get off the porch and maybe even bait him in to get him close enough. Heck, you might even have to earn his trust and pat his head so you can get within "Hammer Range".
But then again, it will save you the hassel of the middle "S" since you won't have to dig a grave...just drop him in the road ditch within a mile of his home...
Within a few days his searching owners will find the stinking carcass...
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12/04/06, 05:41 PM
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Another LOOSE DOG Thread!!!!
Very simple solution...stop shooting the dogs...use blunt force trauma to kill them...Simply bash their heads with a hammer, break their legs and drop them on the highway after it gets dark...
Just a simple dog got hit by a car scenario.
It'll take a little more work, because you'll have to get off the porch and maybe even bait him in to get him close enough. Heck, you might even have to earn his trust and pat his head so you can get within "Hammer Range".
But then again, it will save you the hassel of the middle "S" since you won't have to dig a grave...just drop him in the road ditch within a mile of his home...
Within a few days his searching owners will find the stinking carcass...
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I do know a man who does just about the same thing. If an animal is on his land he will shoot it and take it out to the road. The owner finds it a few days later and thinks it was hit by a car. Works for predators also when they are protected by law. I noticed a new dog near where he puts his kills out today. Not sure if it was by him or just an accident.
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12/04/06, 09:44 PM
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So sorry Julie, I was feeding Diamond too and went thru that horror, but didn't lose a beloved pet, I'm truly sorry. I do agree, in a situation where the owner is blameless, as in a poisoning, which is what the Diamond tragedy was, there should be some compensation, and I think it should include pain and suffering. Also if someone was to come onto someone esles property and shoot a dog as harassment, thats a different case. But its still a slippery slope, one that the ARs are gleefully greasing, and once such legislature is passed in one area they'll carry the fight to another, then another, just like BSL, until they've forced everyone to live by their worldview.
Once again, so sorry for your loss.
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12/05/06, 07:31 AM
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Methinks some people should'nt ever be near dogs, or perhaps even children--
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12/05/06, 07:56 AM
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They got to the church early, so they let the dogs loose, a violation of the leash law in Northfield, which is 10 miles south of Montpelier.
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THEY violated the law.
Did they get a ticket?
WHY did this other man plead guilty to animal cruelty......? If these people want to take this to the Supreme Court, I imagine they're rich and he buckled under an aggressive lawyer they'd hired (why else would he plead guilty???)
The whole thing is insane.
If they want more compensation, they THEY should be charged with ABANDONMENT, animal cruelty themselves (for turning him loose in a strange place,) and I'm sure they're are other charges that could be added.
They're contradicting themselves: they're saying their loss is way more than a pet but they don't want and aren't assuming any responsibility for what happened............no..............they should be charged with animal endangerment or something, for letting it off the leash.......
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12/05/06, 07:56 AM
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Methinks some people should'nt ever be near dogs, or perhaps even children--
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Easy solution, just don't let your dogs (or children) on THEIR property.
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12/05/06, 07:59 AM
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I guess what I'm saying in MY situation is if the company at fault is not made to pay why would they make any changes that might prevent something like this in the future? No skin off their back, I'm sure it's much cheaper for them to pay some vet bills than to replace equipment and/or implement new practices that would ensure the safety of their product. Perhaps what I need to be doing is working on getting stricter regulations on the pet food industry rather than whining about it
As far as dogs on my property harassing my livestock (or anyone else's) I think the person who failed to contain them is at fault and should not be compensated.
I had dogs and my neighbor has chickens. My boxers were chicken killers and I knew it. They were house dogs but did go into the yard from time to time, the "back yard" had a 6 ft fence to keep them from going over and hot wire around the bottom to keep them from going under, they were leashed when in the front yard.
The neighbor and I had a understanding, chickens in my yard were fair game for the dogs and dog's in the chicken yard were fair fame for him. I kept my dogs up and he never complained when one of his chickens got gone.
The new neighbor does not see things this way, his dogs run loose..."they chewed the cable" or "the underground fence collar got wet so it won't work".
They killed 12 of the chickens and harass my goats and pig endlessly. Animal controll was contacted and said if my livestock is in danger I can shoot them even if I know where they belong and they have tags.
I didn't do to well with SSS, I gave the people a chance that they did not take advantage of. They have had their last talking to and they know it.
I'm not trying to have it both ways I promise!! I just think in some instances compensation for pain and suffering is justified.
Honorine...glad you had a better outcome than me and thanks for your kind thoughts.
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12/05/06, 08:21 AM
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So what happens if someone's "little boy" comes onto my property and one of my dogs tears an ear off or breaks its leg? Does my dog get sued?
Dogs have been companions of humans for over 10,000 years, and now suddenly they have to be more? Those people are idiots. I love my dogs and mourn the passing of every one of them, but just because I don't have kids that doesn't mean I dress them up and call them children . . . I'm amazed at the stupidity of people. I'm more amazed at the stupidity of the courts.
BTW, how many people when reading the article said to themselves "you know those people aren't from Vermont" when you saw that it happened in that state. And sure enough, the idiots are from Maryland. City people with money.
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12/05/06, 09:16 AM
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I'm sorry that Shadow died, but it was the owners' fault. They let him loose in a strange place...I can't believe that the owners' weren't cited for something...
The homeowner was well within his rights to shoot, IF the dog was harrassing his livestock.
The story doesn't say that he was...it's sad from both sides.
As for suing for emotional distress and such, get a life folks...
A pet is not a person, a person is a person.
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