Problem with Landowner!

maybe I am a big stick in the mud but where is the sport in running deer with dogs?

the sport of hunitng is the skill of stalking and the well placed shot.....

dogs flush deer and you blast away at em... sport is, where?

I got a barrel full of fish youll like shooting.

lol

Rural America has changed.

Running dogs is (or will soon be) a thing of the past. Forty years ago in Missouri there were more people who understood coon hunting and what it entailed. It was possible then because people knew that to coon hunt meant that dogs would be going where the coon was going. People knew that their land would be frequented by coon hunters, because coon hunting was legal. Currently, if this matter were to be parsed out in the courts, running dogs would be illegal.

Coon hounds ARE supposed to be out of your sight, out of earshot, and out of your immediate control when on a hot trail.

Look out Mtn_gin, Rock Pile, Boleyz, and Blue3duk, running dogs may be illegal in your area soon.

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Well, I grew up in N. C. and my Dad had 47 coon dogs. Although I did not approve (I was a kid and he did not ASK for my approval), he had his dogs trained to his whistle. I'm not talking about a mechanical whistle, but his vocal whistle. He could control his dogs from far away by his language of whistles. He knew each dog by its bay and could tell what was going on by its sound. He had a room dedicated to ribbons and trophys and was known throughout the south for his trained dogs and it was not unusual for his dogs to fetch $2000 each. This was in the 60's. $2000 was a handsome some sum in those days.

Those dogs are not BORN to do it, they are BRED to do it. Big difference.

I live next to a coon hunting club. I've given them permission to finish any animals they may shoot there that wonder here, but not to hunt here. I do let their President (he owns the land on the OTHER side of me to run his dogs out back on my land occasionally.

They are a small club now a days, it's a dying way of hunting.

Too many liabilities for land owners to let people go running dogs on their land. Besides which there are MANY that hunt with dogs that are very irresponsible and give the rest a bad name.

That said, I am suprised how many people are trying to explain away the fact that the dogs are one SOMEONE else's property by saying "You just don't know about hunting dogs... yada yada yada." I do know about them. I am saying it don't matter if you "can't pull them off of a trail and they won't bother livestock". It's not YOUR LAND. If it was someone on a 4 wheeler, most of you would be livid about it... but since it's a dog... well it's ok. Then the dude who was making the asinine statement about "You don't even own the land the goverment does... " What exactly is your point? Are you suggesting that since we pay taxes on our land YOU get to use it?

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Bluduk, I'm just curious. You are calling dogs "stock". Are you saying that you have the right to run dogs on private property under the open range laws?

Dogs are not considered Stock IMO or they would fall Under the Rules of the USDAs NAIS stuff and then don't no dogs or cats are included as stock or "Livestock" as a more proper term.

If they get bred, they get born...what's the difference?

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With all due respect, Mountain Gal, if your dogs run onto my land out of control like that, they will be SHOT before I ever stop to ask any questions!


Why? Because I only have 10 acres, and I am using it to grow food and help support my family. Running dogs threaten my food supply and my primary source of income.


On top of that, I have very high blood pressure and uncontrolled, running dogs are enough to run that blood pressure dangerously high. I spend much of every day out in the fields working, so that dog is likely to encounter me. And yes, I do routinely carry a shotgun on my tractor since I have encountered copperheads while working.


With all due respect, anytime you let your dogs run wild on somebody else's property, you run the risk of them shooting the dog the same way I would.

Just out of curiosity, if a hunting dog were to become injured on private property who is liable for damages?

If one wants to run dogs while hunting then do so, but do so where there is no private property the dog can run unto. A hunter should be knowledgable of the area he/she is hunting.

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You know, Big Rockpile, all of this is just making excuses for undefensible behavior, on your part.


The bottom line is that PRIVATE PROPERTY IS PRIVATE PROPERTY.


You do not have the right to trespass on others private property, nor do your dogs have the right to do that.


Keep your dogs under control, or else run the risk of loosing them to a PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER who does not care what your excuse is.

SSS

What's SSS?

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S= Shoot
S= Shovel
S = Shut up

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oh my! lol

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I don't think ANYONE who hunts with hounds has said that he has a right to trespass. That's all been read INTO the posts by rabid land-owners. I own land too. Probably more than many folks on here.

I've also hunted with hounds my whole life. I've never even once met a landowner who was such a rump as the lady in post 1.

I've never met people who talk so much trash as the people on HT. You folks act like if a dog backs up to property line and farts when the wind is blowing in your direction and you smell it, you're ready to SSS. Get real...we all know you guys are tougher than Superman's kneecaps...sheesh!

Here's what I've experienced...If I'm hunting and my well-trained hounds pursue game and tree or run on someone's land, I merely go to the house and ask the landowner if he will allow me to go onto his property and leash my dogs and remove them.

I do this apologetically and politely. I've never had a landowner do anything other than say, "Sure, go get your dogs."

Some landowners have told me that if they've treed, be sure to kill the coon, since the critter's been raising havoc at the barn.

Some have even invited me to come and hunt until all of their coons are eradicated. One guy even went and put on his blaze orange vest, grabbed his shotgun and joined us for an afternoon of rabbit hunting on his farm.

I dunno where you guys live, but I'm glad I still live around folks who are neighborly.

I loose my beagles here on my farm and they run on my place plus 3 neighboring places. When the race is on, folks from all 3 places come out to hear the race.

I don't do any shooting here, because I want the rabbits to live to train my dogs.

Bottom line: Be considerate when you hunt, and most folks (in the real world, not cyberspace) will be reasonable and friendly.

I've been hunting with hounds for over 30 years and have never yet had a problem with a landowner.

I'd appreciate it if all you Clint Eastwood, SSS, gunslinging hunting dog killers would please just stay wherever you are...don't come to KY. We still have conversations and handshakes here...nobody I know posts a guard to watch for hunting dogs.

AND...no dog handler that I know of ever intentionally trespasses...

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I dont think most here would be nasty. I think they were just offended that the poster was crying foul when she was acually in the wrong. I think that rubbed people the wrong way. Although I dont doubt that a few would shoot hounds.

Quite a few of us landowners grew up in overcrowded urban areas and moved to the country because we have developed a real hatred for people encroaching on our space. When it happens it strikes a raw nerve in some.

You sound like a respectful hunter. The comments seem towards folks at the opposite spectrum. The OP was not about neighbors. Sounds like you have a good rapport with your neighbors. The size of your acreage may also play a part in your hunting. People here are mentioning respect for their land. Trespassing is trepassing. I'm sure even you would agree.

There might be more to the landowner's attitude in th OP, we don't know. She may have been scared, home alone. who knows?

Me personally, I would find another way then shooting dogs.

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I am very defensive of strange dogs on my property because I've lost too many animals (pets and livestock) to people's dogs who have no business being on my property. I don't let anyone hunt on my property. As far as I'm concerned, my land is a wildlife refuge. If your dog is chasing a deer or rabbit and it crosses my property line, then it's not yours to hunt any more.

No we shouldn't be in the city with cement and smog...I live in the country because I love and appreciate the beauty of live wildlife and nature...not dead animals.

Not if you are tresspassing.

And how is the property owner who sees them running across her land supposed to know that?

I would never shoot a dog, but I might yell at you if you couldn't keep your dog off my property.

I think the point was it is all the governments land we just lease it and so it should be open to everyone to travel thru and hunt on?

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Re-read your question. ALL dogs are born. SOME dogs are bred.