Problem with Landowner!

So Very True~!!
And one thing the person is VERY lucky somebody Else didn't see the dogs running and chasing the deer. Or You would Have no more dogs that is for sure. They would have been dispatched quickly for running deer..............

Yes! In my neck of the woods, dogs running wildlife are shot. Private or public property makes no difference.

As we live next to national forest we had to take train our dogs to obey. It is the same for stock. Our dogs must know when to listen and when to chase.

They can run stock off the property but the minute they cross onto forest and run stock, they can be shot.

We let them chase rabbits but they know when we whistle the game is over.

I woudl be pretty unhappy if someone's dogs came tearing across my land. And they might be too when our Great Pyrenees got ahold of their dogs. Strange dogs can spook livestock and cause a general uproar.

I looked at your profile to learn where you live, without success. In our state, the game is owned by the State, regardless of what land they are occupying. Running big game with dogs, whether on federal, state or private land is forbidden and will earn you a loss of hunting privileges, a very substantial fine, public accomodations, bracelets, and very likely the death of your loved pet. For what? Surely you did not intend to eat the game being chased, did you? Tasting poorly is sometimes the deer's last and only revenge.

This board can dish up a _very_ frank & severe case of honest feelings at times.

It can sure pile up on the original poster, and seem pretty harsh.

I'd have to agree with the general thought of most of the replies you got. Your dogs were in the wrong due to your actions. It's unfortunate you got a tongue lashing, but it was somewhat diserved. Your dogs were tresspassing. Roaming dogs can be very hard on livestock, peace & quiet, and so forth.

It sounds like you wished to be a good person, and this just happened, and you tried to get ahold of the situation with as small a footprint as you could, and you remained pleasant during it all.

Good for you. I will not try to condemn you for trying to make the best of the situation.

But, in the big picture, I have to agee with most of the others - you were in the wrong on this. You were the tresspasser here, and it is possible your dogs could have caused harm to someone.

As others mention you are likely a small tip of the iceberg, & this has been a serious problem to the landowner that your dogs bothered. You likely got a little 'xtra' than you deserved, but that is how it is.

--->Paul

What part of "private property" do you not understand?

I certainly hope that the comments in response to this thread are taken in the spirit given. i, for one, have read all of the posts of mtn gin and find her (you) to be absolutely delightful and would welcome her (your) friendship. I seldom offer criticism to anyone I dislike. My kids get the worst. Welcome home, mtn gin!

A person is entitled to the quiet enjoyment of their property. Period. When dogs intrude upon their property, whether by intention or by accident, it doesn't matter. The dogs have intruded upon ones quiet enjoyment of their property.

Your dogs have trespassed. These actions are going to drive some people near crazy. They will say nasty things & may make threats. In their eyes, you are slapping their face with your total disregard to their property rights. Explanations mean nothing.

Is it legal ANYWHERE to run deer with dogs? I have to admit that's the first I hear of someone actually admitting to doing it, legal or not.

Anyone know for a fact that it's legal to use dogs on deer in your own state?

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c.1300, "nature, quality," later "possession" (a sense rare before 17c.), from an Anglo-Fr. modification of O.Fr. propriete (12c., Fr. propreté), from L. proprietatem (nom. proprietas) "ownership, property, propriety," lit. "special character" (a loan-translation of Gk. idioma), noun of quality from proprius "one's own, special" (see proper). Propertied "holding property" is from 1760. Hot property "sensation, a success" is from 1958.

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Alright, Mtn-Gin, you can come sit by me and I'll sympathize (a little). My DH still hunts with dogs, but it's about to become a thing of the past. Just not enough like-minded neighbors anymore. But the fact is, it's always been a controversial matter, made worse by bad hunters that give them all a bad name. If you can't win over that lady by talking kindly, I'm afraid it's a lost cause. You can tell that just by the sampling of responses you've gotten here. I'm not crazy about any kind of hunting--it's just not my thing. But it seems like to me that a deer running from some dogs has a much better chance than the one that comes out to eat his breakfast (baited, of course) and gets ambushed.

Edited to add: It is still legal in our area.

Be greatful that she did not just shoot your dogs, and leave them for the buzzards.

Ok it sounds like a bunch here have no idea about running Beagles.If your on one place you have permission to hunt on,the Dogs jump a Rabbit they are going where the Rabbit is going,there is no stopping them.But they will bring the Rabbit back to where they jumped it which is where you have permissin.

It is the same with Hounds running Deer.

You say control your Dog well as long as they are not trailing there is no problem.But once they hit a Hot Trail you have no control.And I know of no Hound Hunter that does.

Now as far as shooting them.It is Illegal in Missouri.

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hi
you might not have meant no harm. buy in my area we have alot of rude dog hunters.the ones that say "my dogs cant read them signs" and hunt on your land any way .like others said it might be you were the tip of the iceberg, the straw that broke the camals back. we had one guy that had beagles that he would let loose and run everybodys land (he owns about 3 lots which is about75ftx120ft)my dad has 280 acres that the guy lives by. we asked him repeately not to run his dogs on our land and not a week later they would be back. it got to the point we ended up shooting almost all of his dogs he started out with about 15 he stopped running them when he had less then 5 left. we called the sheriff before we shot them and got the ok. also we have a problem with city folks dropping their dogs off in the country so their dogs can run "free" .in less then 3 yrs i have shot almost 40 dogs my 2 other brothers that live in same area has shot almost as meany. so for people in my area we have low tolerance for dogs running though propertys.also most people are very defencive of "their" land and dont like any tresspassers if it has 2 or 4 legs. im glad you kept your cool if things would have got out of hand the land owner could have called the sheriff and the sheriff could have shot your dogs on the spot

Ditto.

Here, the only big game legal to hunt with dogs are bear. The lazy-----ed bear 'hunters' put a radio tracking collar on the dogs, then sit in their cozy truck cab until the dogs run one half to death and it finally trees. Then the big braves go shoot it out of a tree. Real hunters. Make me puke.

When I hear them running across my ridge, I cut loose with a couple clips from my AR.....just for fun....dogs may not be able to read a sign, but they seem to get THAT message just fine.

Dang sorry I missed this Post.Of one that knows absolutly nothing about hunting with Dogs.

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Hunting with dogs is actually hunting in it's purest form. Predators in pursuit of prey. Do you object to those who hunt with falcons as well?

Allowing a dog to run a track brings great satisfaction to the dog who is bred for such activity. I've never hunted deer with dogs, and that does seem a bit un-sporting to me, however, I've never tried it...I might like it...

I do hunt rabbits with beagles and I used to hunt coons with coonhounds. There's nothing more beautiful in all of nature than the music of several dogs running a track or treeing a coon.

The prey animals are not "Dropping from exhaustion" when they are killed, because they have the advantage of speed, stealth and a myriad of deceptions to delay the pursuit. Indeed, many of them escape the hounds quite easily and without even breaking a "Sweat".

Most rabbits I kill are just kind of loafing along out in front of the beagles who are being ripped and torn to shreds by briars which the rabbit passes easily through. They taste very good on the table, I might add.

Hunting with dogs is a great sport! You should try it sometime...especially before you summarily condemn it and all those who do it.

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I am sorry that so many people condemn something that they seem to know little about. Our dogs are running dogs thats what they love to do, most of the time we have no problems because we stay around the mtn. or on forest service. And yes it is legal to run deer with dogs in Arkansas. And we are not trespassers and we are not stupid. we hunt with respect for wildlife, land and people. We pick up our trash, kill legal game, don't trespass. And we own land. So I am on the other side of the fence to. So many of you are so quick to act like we are stupid. I would love to see anyone of you keep up with "Dumplin" when she has her nose full of a hot trail. And for the man who bragged about killing 40 dogs I'm glad its you and not me I wouldn't want that on my soul. Sorry I brought up a subject that seems to make all of ya'll way to mad. Seems to me that the deer hunter is the only one that kept their cool. And I don't believe that it is legal to kill dogs for no reason and also I don't think it is morally right either. Hope your 100% controlled dog never gets off of its very very short leash. And I know that your land is your land.

In Texas where I'm from, they banned deer hunting with dogs because so many dogs were being dumped after deer season was over and alot of them were in really bad physical condition...very skinny and starving so the end result was that some of them took to running livestock. Hog hunting dogs are somewhat better cared for due to the fact that hog hunting is allowed year round. I hog hunt when I'm able to do so but haven't had the chance considering I placed my best catahoula at a working home under a co-ownership in Texas and moved to Kansas where hog hunting isn't allowed so I could be with my fiancee. I do know of some hog hunters who believe in feeding their dogs only when they've managed to hunt up a hog in hopes it will encourage the dog to hunt better..what a crock! they will hunt better and have more energy if fed more often. I knew of one hunter who fed his dogs only maybe once every 4 days and he wondered why his dogs didn't hunt too well. Mine are well fed and well exercised to keep the flab off them and well trained! It doesn't take dogs much to hunt deer but alot of training has to be done for hog, coon, squirrell hunting. In East Texas, hog, squirrell, rabbit, coon hunting with dogs is a way of life. Almost everyone does it there.

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If you can't keep your animal under control at all times so as to stay off of other's land, you shouldn't be surprised if/when bad things happen to you and/or you animal. Animals don't know any better. What's your excuse?

I'm tired of hearing the same rationalization from those using dogs to hunt when confronted with their trespassing: "dogs don't know any better and they are impossible to control when in pursuit"...What is so hard to understand about it's the owner's responsibility to keep the animal from trespassing, or suffer the consequences. It's a shame that it is usually the ignorant animal that pays for the sins of its irresponsible owner.