Problem with Landowner!

Just a quick question for those who think it is ok to kill any dog that happens to set foot on your property. Do you feel the same way about horses, cattle, chickens, etc?

DixyDoodle, I know that is the way some hunters work. We've had them claim to get lost and turned around on Grandma's posted property, even claim they don't know what day it is when they are deer hunting out of season.

It's not the law abiding hunters that are the problem, and like I said the landowner in the original post may have had problems with other "lost" hunters or "lost dogs" before and mtn_gin was just the one that was caught. Honest mistake or not, they were the one that was busted. And Arkansas law says the owner could have been cited for running dogs on someone else's property even if the landowner did not file a complaint. End of story, 'tain't legal, even if it was an honest error. They did aplogize but then so do the "hunters" that have been chased out of Grandma's woods, only to sneak back as soon as we drive down the lane.

Who needs dogs to hunt deer, anyway? With today's high powered rifles and an exploding deer population, only the most dimwitted, inexperienced hunters go home empty handed.

Deer hunting in NE is a little different than hunting in the woods................

So what is your point?
Let me remind you of what you wrote a few posts back - with no mention which state YOU were talking about:

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Originally Posted by wallew
As far as the dog tresspassing issue, not great, BUT NOT A CRIME. Otherwise, the old biddy would have called the cops. Sorry folks, DOG TRESSPASSING is something NO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WILL EVER ANSWER TO. THERE ARE NO "CONSEQUENCES" WHEN A DOG TRESSPASSES.
PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
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There are people from 50 different states on this forum, as well as other countries.
My post was intended for all of them, not just you.
Maybe you should find a forum for just your state, since you mind can't seem to transcend it's borders.

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When I'm standing in my pasture with my small dog, my angora bunnies, my young nephews or my sheep, and an unfamiliar dog comes charging in, I have to make a snap decision about that dog's intent.

I love dogs and would never want to hurt one. But I'm not going to stand there and wait to see if my precious flock is going to be mauled. I'm taking action BEFORE they are hurt.

Someone else's action of letting a dog run loose on my land forces me into having to make that choice. That "someone else" is ultimately responsible for the outcome, whether it be dead dog, dead bunny, trampled crop, busted fence etc.
If I make a mistake and kill a dog that was NOT a threat, I am going to feel great remorse. And I'm going to want to punch it's owner in the mouth for putting me in that position.

So to answer your question, if it were a toothy 50+ lb. threatening chicken, I suppose I would respond in the same way.

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Actually I think most of us do.If the owners of these animails were to intentianally set them loose time after time I think most would feel the same.
The neighbors dog who gets out once a year is pretty safe on my place the hunters dogs unloading on the other side of the road are not.
Which sorta brings up the point ,why can the guy who keeps all kinds of animals from Bufflow to Coons at home on his place not keep his dog the same???

Is it ok if we have learned well how to build a fence? If your dogs come upon my land, for whatever reason, and if I do not like it, I will build a better fence. I certainly will not shoot you -- or your dog. Just remember that when you see my fence that it is not there to keep anything "IN." It is there to keep you, and yours, out.

Guess I'm going to have to shoot my Dogs

Come home from Church.Wife went in the house first.Lab got out.She came out to the Truck,well I went to get arm load of wood.Lab makes rounds of the house.

Next thing I know she is over at the neighbors.I hollerd,she wouldn't come.Told the wife she had something treed over there and was out of control.Well myJack Russell was all excited because of her treeing,I told him to hush.He wouldn't another out of control Dog.

Got the leash,went over she had a Possum treed,just so excited she wouldn't come off tree.

Don't know what else to do,both Dogs just completly out of control.Going to do the right thing and shoot them at Sunrise



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According to your theory, as long as I can get inside your fence, it's your problem...

You'll figure it out soon enough, the population density is much greater in KY than out west. That's all my post was about.

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The reason is because we're not Ohio. More people love it here. Even Bob is coming down to watch the NCAA tourney in March...

BTW Bob...congrats on that OSU guy getting that Heisman trophy trinket...HEY! Dec. 29th, KY will be on ESPN playing Clemson in the Music city Bowl...

Man, our football sux....but this is a big improvement for us...a bowl game of any sort has been unimaginable for years...

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You better watch it or I might just come down for that tourney... heck, used to be that I was in KY every March at the Truck Show at the fairgrounds. Since I moved on from the burdens of transportation management, I haven't been down in March for about 4 years now. Louisville is on of my favorite cities. I don't like many cities, but I can tolerate Louisville... you know cause it's on the Ohio river and all.

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Ug, why do men always have to turn the topic to either sports or cars?
If your horses or cattle are coming into my horses' pasture and eating the grass that is meant for them, then yes I do have a problem with it. I wouldn't shoot them, but I wouldn't let them stay either. Your chickens OTOH might 'disappear' and magically teleport themselves to my freezer.
Well, technically, they say birds are related to dinosaurs, right? So chicken=dinosaur. Better get him before he gets you.
Wow, that IS a good question! What is it, guys? Is it more because of the tradition of hunting with dogs? Surely, a human can outwit a deer? Not that I am against hunting dogs, just curious what the benefit is.

Now, mind you, this is just how they do it here in my neck of the woods but generally people hunt deer as a group (no dogs). Some flush out the deer and the others wait. Is this pretty much not the same as hunting with dogs? Is it to save time (ie, dogs run faster than people)? Hunting with dogs almost seems less fair to the deer. That is, the dogs run the deer to near exhaustion so it's easier to track down? Sorry, I have no idea how people hunt with dogs. Enlighten me, please!

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Arkansas State Laws...if the dog is not in the control of it's owner, it IS running at large. 14-54-1102. Dogs running at large.

(a) Municipal corporations shall have the power to prevent the running at large of dogs, and injuries and annoyances therefrom, and to authorize the destruction of them, when at large contrary to any prohibition to that effect.
(b)(1)(A) Municipalities may impound and destroy any dog running at large within the municipality.

(B)(i) Prior to destroying the dog, the municipality shall give the dog's owner at least five (5) days' notice of the date of the proposed destruction of the dog.

(ii) The notice shall be by certified letter, return receipt requested. Dog owners may claim their dogs at the municipal pound by reimbursing the municipality for the cost of the notice plus other costs and requirements which may be established by ordinance of the municipal governing body prior to the date set for destruction of the dogs.

(2) This subsection shall apply only in instances where the dog carries its owner's address.


History. Acts 1875, No. 1, § 16, p. 1; C. & M. Dig., § 7554; Pope's Dig., § 9628; Acts 1979, No. 534, § 1; A.S.A. 1947, §§ 19-2502, 19-2502.1.

If a person sees a dog running through their goat flock or cattle herd, wouldn't they suppose that the dog is chasing their livestock?

20-19-102. Injuries to domesticated animals by dogs.

(a)(1) "Domesticated animals" includes, but is not limited to, sheep, goats, cattle, swine, and poultry.
(2) Any person owning or having in possession or under control any dog shall be liable in damages to the owner or owners of any domesticated animals killed or injured by the dog in the full value of the domesticated animal killed or injured.

(b)(1) Any person engaged in raising domesticated animals or owning any domesticated animals who shall sustain any loss or damages to his or her or their domesticated animals by any dog shall have a right of action against the owner, person, or controller of the dog.

(2) Any person knowing that any dog has killed or is about to catch, injure, or kill any domesticated animal shall have the right to kill the dog, without in any way being liable to the owner of the dog in any courts of this state.

(c) The person sustaining loss or damage as mentioned in this section and desiring remuneration therefor may go before some justice of the peace of the county wherein the loss or damage occurred and make oath of the character of the loss or damage sustained, the value of the loss or damage, the dog or dogs, and the owner, possessor, or controller of the dog and file the same with the justice of the peace, who shall issue a summons stating the nature of the plaintiff's claim, the amount claimed, and the cost accrued, which shall be served and returned as in ordinary actions.

(d)(1) If the defendant shall pay to the officer serving the summons the amount of damages claimed, the costs endorsed, and a further fee to the officer of twenty-five cents (25›) for making the return, the summons shall be returned satisfied, and no further proceedings had.

(2) If the defendant fails, neglects, or refuses to pay that amount, the justice of the peace shall try the cause as in other ordinary actions and give judgment in favor of the plaintiff for the amount proved in the cause, for which the defendant may be liable under this section.

(e) In a second suit and recovery by any plaintiff against the same defendant on account of killing or injury done by the same dog, the justice of the peace shall render judgment for double the amount of damages proven.


History. Acts 1887, No. 136, §§ 1-4, p. 235; 1917, No. 155, §§ 1, 2; C. & M. Dig., §§ 339-343; Pope's Dig., §§ 354-358; A.S.A. 1947, §§ 78-206 - 78-210; Acts 1987, No. 393, §§ 1, 2.

I'm sorry, but if I find dogs running anywhere NEAR my livestock on MY property, they will be shot. I've lost too many animals to stray dogs or dogs that are allowed to run free by their owners.

Part of responsible pet ownership IS making sure that they do no infringe on anyone else's property or animals. My land is posted and I STILL find deer hunters and hunting dogs on it from time to time. What I do at the time is not even waste time confronting them. I go into the house and call the Sheriff's office and have them charged with tresspassing. If it's hunting dogs, I get my ole .22 out and shoot them on the spot.

It's been a hoot! One of the truly great dog/land/trespassing threads I've ever seen on HT! Congrats to all!! Here's my final summation:

Evidently dogs must be shot...hunters too, if you're willing to lie and do murder.

What a great thread!

DISCLAIMER:

The following is NOT an actual photograph, but an artistic rendering of the summation as I see it. No actual persons/places or events are intended to be reflected. I have not driven to your house and photographed you as you were accosting an evil trespasser and doing a SSS on the dog and maybe even the hunter!

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