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[sullen]

Originally Posted by PygmyLover

Well I am from "the religious right" and proud of it!

YE HAAAA PL, I am too. On both counts. I appreciate the links, original poster, I like hanging out in RR forums.
I want to state that I disagree with kenuchelovr, to me it is like watering down our great country. Eventually you have nothing but water. We are all to suffer because one side of this country has no idea what is going on and no religion or cultural values? (the west coast) Just because they have no idea what is going on and are simply trying to live in their confused state and figure things out (half arsed I might add) we are supposed to welcome them? They are insisting we agree with them, don't think they are not. They think they know better because they have thought about it for a few decades. Well Christianity has been round for 2000 years and we don't need anyone trying to tell us how they want this country run.
Think about the posts in the ladybug thread, they are doing the same thing. Trying to move us out.

[roughingit]

Originally Posted by sullen

YE HAAAA PL, I am too. On both counts. I appreciate the links, original poster, I like hanging out in RR forums.
I want to state that I disagree with kenuchelovr, to me it is like watering down our great country. Eventually you have nothing but water. We are all to suffer because one side of this country has no idea what is going on and no religion or cultural values? (the west coast) Just because they have no idea what is going on and are simply trying to live in their confused state and figure things out (half arsed I might add) we are supposed to welcome them? They are insisting we agree with them, don't think they are not. They think they know better because they have thought about it for a few decades. Well Christianity has been round for 2000 years and we don't need anyone trying to tell us how they want this country run.
Think about the posts in the ladybug thread, they are doing the same thing. Trying to move us out.

There are plenty of you out here in the West trust me.

[Radidio]

Originally Posted by PygmyLover

Well I am from "the religious right" and proud of it!

Me to and that's why I appreciate the listing of the Christian forums. I think I'll go visit and stay awhile.

[PygmyLover]

Glad to know that there are more of us on this forum - I was a bit confused with some of the negative comments but thought I would stick my neck out and chance it that I wouldn't get it cut off. Thankfully not. :-)

[Sparticle]

Just found out about this one tonight. haven't really checked it out yet.
http://nutmeghr.proboards50.com/index.cgi

[ZooNana]

Excellent homesteading/survival forum

http://www.welcometothegulch.com

[Country Doc]

Thanks for the nice links all.

[kenuchelover]

Originally Posted by sullen

YE HAAAA PL, I am too. On both counts. I appreciate the links, original poster, I like hanging out in RR forums.
I want to state that I disagree with kenuchelovr, to me it is like watering down our great country. Eventually you have nothing but water.

Huh? The American population at the time of the Revolution was NOT all Christian, nor were the founding fathers all Christian. There was diversity even then.... and one ambition of many of the settlers and of the founding fathers was to PREVENT religious domination. Some settlers came fleeing religious persecution, others were persecuted here (Quakers, etc) & wanted to avoid a continuance, the majority agreed that freedom of religion was a GOOD thing & still do.

Originally Posted by sullen

We are all to suffer because one side of this country has no idea what is going on and no religion or cultural values? (the west coast)

You don't know what you're talking about here. Plenty of churches on the west coast, plenty of churchgoers. Take a look at this map of religious adherance at http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/pics/geo.../adherents.gif
...the overall percentages are roughly the same on BOTH coasts (it's the central US, the plains & the area just east of it, that is most religious).

Same thing goes for "cultural values",

Originally Posted by sullen

Just because they have no idea what is going on and are simply trying to live in their confused state and figure things out (half arsed I might add) we are supposed to welcome them? They are insisting we agree with them, don't think they are not. They think they know better because they have thought about it for a few decades. Well Christianity has been round for 2000 years and we don't need anyone trying to tell us how they want this country run.

Huh? Judaism has been around for several times that long, does this make it MORE special than Christianity? (Ditto for Hinduism). Native American religious traditions date back (at least so far as the archaeological traces indicate) for longer yet.... AND are native to "this country" to boot. Mere age of a tradition does NOT give it precedence.... NOR domination.... over younger religions.

This COUNTRY didn't start out exclusively Christian, and the founding fathers even made a point of DENYING Christianity (along with all other religiouns) the Constitutional right to impose it's beliefs & mores on people of other religions (or the lack thereof.... ATHEISM is protected just as much as any other minority religious belief is). They didn't want a state religion, they didn't want govt interference in people's FREE CHOICE of religion & religious practice. Translation: While the US is & always has been a "mostly" Christian country, it is NOT & never will be an exclusively Christian country, OTHER viewpoints are given the same weight as Christianity, and it's not up to Christianity per se to decide what the Country does.... it's up to the PEOPLE, irregardless of their religion.

Heck, this whole CONTINENT started out non-Christian, and if you're justifying your claim to America "as a Christian country" on illegal settlements & genocide & slavery & broken treaties, then you don't have a moral leg to stand on.

Originally Posted by sullen

Think about the posts in the ladybug thread, they are doing the same thing. Trying to move us out.

To where? And.... move you out, or disallow you from moving everybody else out yourself? There IS a difference.....

I'm not Christian. But I'll happily take Christians for neighbors & friends, so long as THEY in turn are willing to accept non-christians in turn.... so long as THEY are willing to "walk the walk instead of just talking the talk".... i.e., to BE good neighbors, to act Christian towards all people instead of just their co-religionists. After all, Jesus said "love thy neighbor"..... NOT "love thy neighbor 'ONLY IF' he's the same religion as you are!"

[kenuchelover]

Originally Posted by Madame

Oh dear, I can't write sonnets worth a hoot! If the SHTFATEOTW, I am surely doomed! Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

For a while in college, I boarded with an elderly lady who'd KNOWN Heinlein personally (in his navy days). Seems he couldn't write a decent sonnet either.

So....I suspect a decent limerick will do in a pinch. Or even just some impressively solemn prose

[PygmyLover]

I agree with Sullen no matter how much you disagree.

[kenuchelover]

Originally Posted by PygmyLover

I agree with Sullen no matter how much you disagree.

Out of curiosity, when did your family come over from Europe?

[jnap31]

Originally Posted by ZooNana

Excellent homesteading/survival forum

http://www.welcometothegulch.com

I really like the one above

[rafter]

Thanks for all the great links! I had lost a lot of them when my old computer died and some are brand new...thanks again!!!

[mj1angier]

This site will go hand-in-hard with homesteading.
www.tractorbynet.com

I also agree with kenuchelover about the founding of the US and the way it was set up. I also think that intolance of others is not a good bases for any religon. Religons come and go- may take a few thousand years. Everyday kindness and well meaning to fellow humans will be forever.

[Kstornado11]

Another new one...
http://www.7trees.org/phpbb/index.php

[momofmany]

Originally Posted by tuvold

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." the late great Robert Heinlein.

LOL not interested in butchering a hog, since I am the rare Christian that finds Pork to be un-kosher LOL.....BUT I will say I think birth a baby at home on your own if need be, and treat sickness at home alone if need be, are a few good one to add to the self-reliant list.

I like to find forums that cover all that, I will discuss my religious views with those I can talk to more intimately with. My own husband being at the top of that list

Nicole

[PyroDon]

Originally Posted by tuvold

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." the late great Robert Heinlein.

Heinlein wrote some very good books I find it a bit suprising though that so many conservative christians have read His works . He wasnt exactly a great supporter of organized religion. In some ways his writing is quite conservative and in other rather liberal mush like most people .

[sullen]

Originally Posted by Kstornado11

I totally agree. There is too much division in this country already, I would love it if people would stop all the squabbling amongst themselves, & the "us & them" mentality. Every person is an individual, and ya aren't EVER going to find any single person that you 100% agree w/ every single thing they say & believe. Tolerance is an awesome virtue.

Now wait a minute............there would be no division if some parts of this country didn't demand this 200 year old country go in a sudden new direction........theirs. Demand.
So there will always be fights.
Then you put tolerance in there.........again has nothing to do with the "squabbling" there would be no squabbling if there was tolerance.
Imagine someone coming into your yard and demanding to be given space and care and demanding that your family now live as they dictate. That's why there's fights.

KL........You are one of the confused, I see. Don't put what you hear some religious person did on me or the whole of Christianity. Any religion is a religion because they believe theirs is the only right way. Some just say it less. Those that think "we all can live together in harmony" must be asleep. The whole point of religion is to divide.....the good from the bad. Division is how we learn. I am sorry, all the time, that some people are being taught that mediocrity is a good thing, that laying on the road letting things go by is good, that not having any great convictions is a goal. That's silly.

[Sherri C]

Originally Posted by chamoisee

Does anyone know if the "Beyond the Sidewalks" forum is still going, and how I can get an invite to it?

Nope, it died off a few years ago.

[sullen]

Originally Posted by kenuchelover

Huh? The American population at the time of the Revolution was NOT all Christian, nor were the founding fathers all Christian. There was diversity even then.... and one ambition of many of the settlers and of the founding fathers was to PREVENT religious domination. Some settlers came fleeing religious persecution, others were persecuted here (Quakers, etc) & wanted to avoid a continuance, the majority agreed that freedom of religion was a GOOD thing & still do.

WOW was someone educated in public school? It's shocking to see the loss of education in the schools quoted word for word, verbatim. Where do you get your facts form? Your whole post is full of falsehoods you learn in school. You gonna tell me "separation of Church and state" bunk too?
America was founded by those determined to give a nation over to goodness in the name of God. Even my kids know that. The declaration of independence was put there for the people by the people.....When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
POLITICAL....get it? And see the GOD part? And thats just the first paragraph.

Originally Posted by kenuchelover

You don't know what you're talking about here. Plenty of churches on the west coast, plenty of churchgoers. Take a look at this map of religious adherence at http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/pics/geo.../adherents.gif
...the overall percentages are roughly the same on BOTH coasts (it's the central US, the plains & the area just east of it, that is most religious).

Same thing goes for "cultural values",

Yea, Unitarians are a church...
The "west coast" will never equal the east coast in tradition and religion. The whole basis of California was to run away from the establishment, to have no laws, no one to have to listen to. And they are still in that vein. Some have tried to bring it back, but it will never be like the east coast.

Originally Posted by kenuchelover

Huh? Judaism has been around for several times that long, does this make it MORE special than Christianity? (Ditto for Hinduism). Native American religious traditions date back (at least so far as the archaeological traces indicate) for longer yet.... AND are native to "this country" to boot. Mere age of a tradition does NOT give it precedence.... NOR domination.... over younger religions.

WOW again the uneducated speak. "native to this country"....more public school propaganda. I don't want to seem attacking, but public school propaganda burns me up. Can't you think for yourself?
If we all stayed where we were put why aren't you in Africa whre the libs say we are all from?

Originally Posted by kenuchelover

This COUNTRY didn't start out exclusively Christian, and the founding fathers even made a point of DENYING Christianity (along with all other religiouns) the Constitutional right to impose it's beliefs & mores on people of other religions (or the lack thereof.... ATHEISM is protected just as much as any other minority religious belief is). They didn't want a state religion, they didn't want govt interference in people's FREE CHOICE of religion & religious practice.

You say one thing........

Originally Posted by kenuchelover

Translation: While the US is & always has been a "mostly" Christian country, it is NOT & never will be an exclusively Christian country, OTHER viewpoints are given the same weight as Christianity, and it's not up to Christianity per se to decide what the Country does.... it's up to the PEOPLE, regardless of their religion.

Then you contradict yourself.
What has Christianity done to you? What is your beef? What will you say before God that day? Boooo hoooo Christianity was mean to us. You are saying worship of the earth has the same weight as serving the very creator of the earth. Sounds like a west coast thing.

Originally Posted by kenuchelover

Heck, this whole CONTINENT started out non-Christian, and if you're justifying your claim to America "as a Christian country" on illegal settlements & genocide & slavery & broken treaties, then you don't have a moral leg to stand on.

answered above. Sounds again like you are just mad at one religion daring to think it's better than the rest. Sounds like a personal proplem of an uneducated person.

Originally Posted by kenuchelover

I'm not Christian. But I'll happily take Christians for neighbors & friends, so long as THEY in turn are willing to accept non-christians in turn.... so long as THEY are willing to "walk the walk instead of just talking the talk".... i.e., to BE good neighbors, to act Christian towards all people instead of just their co-religionists. After all, Jesus said "love thy neighbor"..... NOT "love thy neighbor 'ONLY IF' he's the same religion as you are!"

So you are intolerant......Uhoh.