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[deaconjim]

Originally Posted by PygmyLover

Well I am from "the religious right" and proud of it!

Me too, but I prefer the term "faithful conservative".

[michiganfarmer]

Originally Posted by kenuchelover

No offense...... but I'd respectfully suggest that if people can't talk without offending people of different viewpoints..... or if the people can't listen without being offended.... then one or both parties need to work on their tolerance & communication skills.

I personally PREFER a mixed belief forum, it more closely matches what we'll find in real life & helps prepare us for neighbors & friends who don't always believe as we do. We NEED to understand & be used to other types of people, otherwise we're more likely to fail in our own homesteading efforts. Worse.... it's when we get too insular that we start risking more Wacos & Jonestowns..... more burning crosses & suicide bombers.

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that's what I was thinking

[PygmyLover]

Originally Posted by deaconjim

Me too, but I prefer the term "faithful conservative".

oh I like that one! Can I use it too??

[fernando]

Found it interesting when pulling up and checking out all the links provided on this thread just how few are still actually current. So many have long ago reached room temperature and deserve respectful burial.

[katlupe]

Oh no!!! Not another forum! I could not begin to have enough time for another one.

All joking aside, I do belong to other forums, I just like this one better. Don't have time for the others.

katlupe

[Sparticle]

Originally Posted by katlupe

Oh no!!! Not another forum! I could not begin to have enough time for another one.

All joking aside, I do belong to other forums, I just like this one better. Don't have time for the others.

katlupe

I find that I rarely check the other forums I'm a member of because people just don't seem to post or respond very often. I know people are busy, but this forum (HT) just seems to be more alive and people post and respond daily. There's always a new topic to read or ignore

[PygmyLover]

well my interest is goats so I tend to spend more time on my goat forums

[TabletopHomestead]

Originally Posted by kenuchelover

As you should be.... as EVERYBODY should be proud of their beliefs.

Me, I'm not christian.... but I've no problem with anybody on the religious right, nor the irreligious left, nor any of the in-betweens or alternate flavors.

My only problem is with intolerance.....

Exactly, which is why I think people should not only engage in mixed group discussions (where it can be informative, but risky), but also have avenues for exchange and networking with others who share their belief system, whatever it may be.

[TabletopHomestead]

It was nice meeting you as well. I have the Cherokee Blue mustard growing right now. If it's hardy enough I'll hopefully have seed in the spring as it's a beautiful variety.

Originally Posted by kenuchelover

No offense...... but I'd respectfully suggest that if people can't talk without offending people of different viewpoints..... or if the people can't listen without being offended.... then one or both parties need to work on their tolerance & communication skills.

I personally PREFER a mixed belief forum, it more closely matches what we'll find in real life & helps prepare us for neighbors & friends who don't always believe as we do. We NEED to understand & be used to other types of people, otherwise we're more likely to fail in our own homesteading efforts. Worse.... it's when we get too insular that we start risking more Wacos & Jonestowns..... more burning crosses & suicide bombers.

I'd also suggest that the internet is NOT the best place to seriously discuss religious beliefs..... text only communication allows far too much opportunity for error & misconception. At best, such is safest restricted to a RELIGIOUS forum.... not a homesteading one.

Besides, just ask yourself.... would you rather have a neighbor or forum co-member with the same religion as yourself.... or who knows what he or she is doing? This is one reason that so many planned utopias & religious colonies have failed.... overreliance on conformity of belief doesn't compensate for lack of ability (same reason the Soviet system failed.... being a diehard party member didn't make you a good factory manager, or medical student, or science researcher, etc.... but that was ended up being the criteria that most people were picked by).

My suggestion would be that if people feel they must specialize, that they go regional (rather than religious), for the insight &

assistance that people in their area & facing similar conditions can give.

(On a totally different topic, it was very nice meeting you & thanks for the Nankeen in particular. I'd been wanting to see what it looked like for a number of years. Do you happen to know if anybody associated with the seed bank still has the Cherokee blue mustard.... I saw an empty seed packet with that label...?)

Kenuchelover.

[TabletopHomestead]

Well, this was interesting. Thanks all for your comments.

[Jolly]

Originally Posted by QBVII

http://www.simpleliving.net/forums/

Nothing against the folks on this board, but the owner states it takes up to $12k a year to run it.

That sounds a bit on the high side.

[Thumper/inOkla.]

=kenuchelover]No offense...... but I'd respectfully suggest that if people can't talk without offending people of different viewpoints..... or if the people can't listen without being offended.... then one or both parties need to work on their tolerance & communication skills.

Ah, yes....yet the majority are not the tolerant,

I personally PREFER a mixed belief forum, it more closely matches what we'll find in real life & helps prepare us for neighbors & friends who don't always believe as we do. We NEED to understand & be used to other types of people,

This I fully agree with

otherwise we're more likely to fail in our own homesteading efforts. Worse.... it's when we get too insular that we start risking more Wacos & Jonestowns..... more burning crosses & suicide bombers.

This I don't, having come from a non christian back ground, now to a devout christian,....my beliefs are the least tolerated by others,...if I hobble a horse or claim to be "real" or hardcore as a homesteader I draw fire, faith need not be mentioned, .....the arrows come, along with miss-quotes, and outright lies a few times. Anyone wonder why I haven't posted here since back in
March?

I'd also suggest that the internet is NOT the best place to seriously discuss religious beliefs..... text only communication allows far too much opportunity for error & misconception. At best, such is safest restricted to a RELIGIOUS forum.... not a homesteading one.

I have to disagree here too, online I have time to calm down, ...I have time to double check my facts. I have time to pray before I react. and I have a copy of that the other person said.

Besides, just ask yourself.... would you rather have a neighbor or forum co-member with the same religion as yourself.... or who knows what he or she is doing?

Well, I have both......and in some 20 plus years, those that really believe the same as I do, are willing to learn. not just preach. Yet right along with that,... are those that say they believe like I do but their actions prove otherwise, ...and in these cases I would rather fumble through by trail and error, than have any thing to do with them.
>>side note: I have learned from you, about the amaranth<<

This is one reason that so many planned utopias & religious colonies have failed.... overreliance on conformity of belief doesn't compensate for lack of ability (same reason the Soviet system failed.... being a diehard party member didn't make you a good factory manager, or medical student, or science researcher, etc.... but that was ended up being the criteria that most people were picked by).

How close this is to a web list? I don't see the connection.
On a close knit list I can pray, for my goat to recieve healing, or for my own state of mind and feel safe that no one will be bashing me for it, I can be honest and strait forward, without starting a fight.

My suggestion would be that if people feel they must specialize, that they go regional (rather than religious), for the insight & assistance that people in their area & facing similar conditions can give.

sounds good, yet it just doesn't work that way, The very manner in which I communicate is not acceptable to pagans and wicans and some others,(sorry if I spell anything incorrectly) I MUST WATCH WHAT I SAY, My skills and experience are not valued by them because of by faith base. Even tho' I came from the same background.

Freedom of speech also means feeling free to speak.

[Farmer Willy]

Originally Posted by tuvold

Hey,

Great post kenuchelover.

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." the late great Robert Heinlein.

My 2 coppers,

tuvold

Never conned a ship but I can canoe, kayak, and row a boat and throttle an outboard. Never tried a sonnet but have done poetry and can write a fair tale. I never had to set a bone but have carved them in a clumsy attempt at skrimshaw and cracked them for marrow---does pulling splinters count?? As for dying, don't plan on trying for a while. All the rest I've done, and quite well by gosh.

[deaconjim]

Originally Posted by PygmyLover

oh I like that one! Can I use it too??

Go right ahead, just send me a quarter each time, I take Pay Pal.

[PygmyLover]

Rotfl!!!

[roadless]

Good grief there are other forums!?! I can't get anything done just checking out this forum!

[kenuchelover]

Originally Posted by Thumper/inOkla.

Ah, yes....yet the majority are not the tolerant,

Well, in my defence you'll notice I never said that MOST people don't need to work on their toleration & communication skills!

On the other hand, I think that "most" people can be trusted to be "mostly" polite. As for the exceptions, well.... that's one reason I feel that "in person" is the best venue for certain types of communication. Face to face, you've a far better chance of evaluating a person AND their point by point reaction to what you're saying. You better know when to quietly change the subject, AND when you're in need of clarifying your position.

Originally Posted by Thumper/inOkla.

This I don't, having come from a non christian back ground, now to a devout christian,....my beliefs are the least tolerated by others,...if I hobble a horse or claim to be "real" or hardcore as a homesteader I draw fire, faith need not be mentioned, .....the arrows come, along with miss-quotes, and outright lies a few times. Anyone wonder why I haven't posted here since back in
March?

I'm afraid I never noticed, being offline myself for several months (moving & then living in a tent.... then a trailer with no electricity.... it took quite a while to get internet hooked up, & I mostly had to restrict my library usage to vital research lookups). But I'm glad you're back.... it's nice to have my favorite homesteaders posting on BOTH forums!

I am fully aware of the impact of intolerance.... I'd seen a lot of it over on alt.native back in the old days.... particularly just as the real Indians there were starting to be outnumbered by the trolls & recreational flamers. But I'd call it a toleration issue, uncoupled to identity..... PROPORTIONS might differ, but their's usually some blame in every pasture.

It's also sometimes a credibility issue.... it's not enough merely to be "real", you ALSO have to be able to communicate that online. Even a highly intelligent backwoods farmer with a lifetime of experiance might come across as unintelligent or uninformed due as a result of poverty induced near illiteracy, just so might you or any other "real" homesteader end up with diminished online credibility due to even minor communication problems. (Same way, I knew of people whose Indian identity was much closer to the core than my own.... I'm a breed & not all that traditionist... but whose online presence did NOT manage to express that fact. They were sometimes unfairly attacked, or disregarded, in consequence).

But people who know better should defend each other against the naysayers. Heck.... I've SEEN your homestead, I can attest to the hardcore nature of your efforts. So should have all the other NOP people who also post here. Hmmm, maybe you'd like to consider adding a different signature line.... one LISTING your accomplishments (X acres, Y number of goats, Z number of chickens, etc, etc, also including sheep & self constructed outbuildings & square footage of protected garden space, off the grid status, etc)..... that would be impressive enough to awe even most habitual flamers! (And like Dizzy Dean said, "It ain't braggin' if you can back it up").

Originally Posted by Thumper/inOkla.

I have to disagree here too, online I have time to calm down, ...I have time to double check my facts. I have time to pray before I react. and I have a copy of that the other person said.

My experience has been that all too many people post before they think, without having time to calm down.... sometimes when it's something offline that fired them up. The reason being that it's MUCH easier to flame somebody without consequences online.... where you can flame-and-run (turn off comp, etc) , or flame & jump to another thread or refuse to read posts you feel might be critical. By contrast, in real life if you flame somebody, they're right in front of you & harder to ignore when they take offence.... it's a MUCH more unpleasant situation.

Mind you, it may be different if the people involved ARE real homesteaders, with all the work burden that entails..... I could see where it'd be folk who AREN'T living the life, & have too much free time, & haven't learned the hard way about the value of "good neighbors" irregardless of their religion, & who are thus free to vent their armchair opinions (of which they'll have many) at the slightest whim.

Originally Posted by Thumper/inOkla.

Well, I have both......and in some 20 plus years, those that really believe the same as I do, are willing to learn. not just preach. Yet right along with that,... are those that say they believe like I do but their actions prove otherwise, ...and in these cases I would rather fumble through by trail and error, than have any thing to do with them.

So you hold to the good ones, and ignore the hypocrites for the yapping little anklebiters they are (SMILE at their petty intrigues, just turn the other cheek..... to avoid them seeing the particular smile you'll get in the corner of your mouth while mentally imagining them meeting those "adorable" blue heelers of yours..... unfenced).

(I'm not joking about the blue heelers, btw. I liked them. A good tool should NEVER be badmouthed for being sharp.... that's it's job, not a flaw in it.)

Originally Posted by Thumper/inOkla.

>>side note: I have learned from you, about the amaranth<<

My pleasure. BTW, I never got a chance to view the different ecosystem you mentioned (ecology & soil reclamation efforts are a special interest of mine), nor the homestead's infrastructure as much as I'd have liked. I'm interested in going off grid, so I'd appreciate the chance to someday discuss your experiances & plans (icehouse design, etc).

Originally Posted by Thumper/inOkla.

How close this is to a web list? I don't see the connection.
On a close knit list I can pray, for my goat to recieve healing, or for my own state of mind and feel safe that no one will be bashing me for it, I can be honest and strait forward, without starting a fight.

You SHOULD be able to do that here as well. I've seen HT folk doing just that thing, with no flames in sight. It's a matter of people minding their manners AND watching out for their neighbors.... not something inherent in this forum (or venue) as opposed to another.

GOOD NEIGHBORS is something we all need to live, not just talk. We need it online just as much as we do out along the fenceline.

Originally Posted by Thumper/inOkla.

sounds good, yet it just doesn't work that way, The very manner in which I communicate is not acceptable to pagans and wicans and some others,(sorry if I spell anything incorrectly) I MUST WATCH WHAT I SAY, My skills and experience are not valued by them because of by faith base. Even tho' I came from the same background.

The spelling was OK.... I've also seen "wiccan" used, but some seem to prefer wican.

Something to recall is that easily 99+% of "wicans" & NEO-Pagans* are themselves converts.... who weren't born or raised in their current traditions, and their traditions are largely a RECREATION.... a best guess attempt to rebuild what used to exist, using documentary sources largely written by unsympathetic outsiders. As such, some of them combine the zeal of the convert with the bristling neck inferiority complex of those not entirely secure in their identity

(*I'm sticking that in to distinguish the ones you're talking about from peoples such as Native American traditionalists, immigrant Asian animists, and so on.... who to my experience would NOT be giving you a hard time over your beliefs or expression thereof).

I've met some very decent wicans, but I've also run into some bad eggs.... just as I have Christians, Jews, Muslims, and so on. Re other neopagans, I'm leerier of the Asatruar types, because of the way they emphasize ancestry as a motivation and/or prerequisate for membership (racialist per se is not neccessarily a problem, but I'm afraid I've met a far higher than average number of racists among their ilk).... I have met good people there, but also all to many bad ones.

Originally Posted by Thumper/inOkla.

Freedom of speech also means feeling free to speak.

Yup, just as having manners..... and being a good neighbor.... means knowing when to bite ones tongue!

I'll speak my mind with complete freedom.... only when I'm in the company of people I completely trust, and respect. Till then, everything is prorated.

[Madame]

Originally Posted by tuvold

Hey,

Great post kenuchelover.

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." the late great Robert Heinlein.

My 2 coppers,

tuvold

Oh dear, I can't write sonnets worth a hoot! If the SHTFATEOTW, I am surely doomed! Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

[Kaitlin]

If anyone's interested in a UK perspective, try www.acountrylife.com.I shall be interested in trying all the other sites - thankyou!

Kaitlin

[Ozarkguy]

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Not a homestead "forum" (I leave that to Chuck and the gang here at H.T.), but there's plenty of homesteading information at:


Homesteading with Ozarkguy


gotta love those hills.....

Ozarkguy

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