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10/17/06, 04:45 AM
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yeah........
But be nice! and for the record...
My home is...
1.) Small
2.) cluttered (too little roome, too much ppl/stuff)
But it is NOT "Dirty" period.
AND,,
My home is full of love and affection, BUT it is mixed w/ a healthy dose discipline & structure.
ok vent over.
*chanting to self* I will be nice... I will be nice... I will be nice..........
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10/17/06, 04:58 AM
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Ugh...a LOT of reading!
Dana, it was great being able to put a person to the online ID. You're good people! You handled yourself very well and didn't appear to be all that hard on the girls which is nice because no matter how the rest of us feel their reality is their own and it's what they know as being right. I've seen some of those Mom's be brutal! It was nice to see Dad back you up with the egg collection!
As far as Grandma, I felt a bit sorry for her but because I believe we teach people how to treat us I feel that if Grandma didn't do all the chores and allow the family to expect so much of her they wouldn't. I also think that her doing so much is how she 'nurtures' her family, it gives her a sense of being a valuable member of the family. When we all descend on my Grandma's house each July you couldn't pry her out of the kitchen for anything...(she's a workaholic) she's going to feed everyone, by golly and you're not going to stop her. I tend to think that Hollywood Grandma likes her role in the family even if it's sometimes a bit too much.
Your boy tackling the tree was precious! Your daughter is precious as well and that scene with the tomato cage was adorable! All your kids handled themselves very well and I didn't notice a single tantrum from them!
Last but not least I don't think you should have butchered the rabbit in front of them, and am glad you didn't. Being sensitive to others feelings is never a bad thing, now, having rabbit for dinner, one that they didn't have to watch being executed might not have been a bad thing!
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10/17/06, 05:05 AM
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Oh...and one other thing I thought of within the first 2 minutes of the show...if you got a black plastic stock tank plug and drilled a 1" hole with a 'core' bit in the bottom of that kiddie pool you'd not have to lift it to drain the water and it'd last a lot longer! LOL That's my best advice from having to deal with kiddie pools all summer long! 
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10/17/06, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck
Yes, may that CA lady suffer the same fate as her "maid." The "male" of the house is already paying the price for his passivity.
Isn't it funny that they had to make a man who loves his kids out to be the bad guy? I mean, yeah, your boys need to know you believe in them - but how is requiring them to be respectful a bad thing? I don't understand this world sometimes.
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Different parenting techniques are not necessarily "bad." I personally find it offensive that my husband was trained from infancy to say "yes maam" to all women. When I hear that I'm pretty sure he's not actually listening to me, just agreeing reflexively from training. He has no idea what I just said but he knows from training that the "right answer" is the "polite" answer. Since I'd rather he was paying attention than mouthing polite I'm not impressed.
There's another cultural difference we don't see in the northeast, the use of "Mz Kelly.." "Mz" and a woman's first name. While we have moved away from a child calling an older person Mr. or Mrs. and their last name (most children call us by our first names, no title) I find the "Mz firstname" convention sounds peculiar to my ears.
A child, anyone for that matter, can be respectful without resorting to mouthing a title. Mouthing "sir" in times of stress strikes me as being somewhat similar to my puppy dropping and rolling in front of my alpha male. So you've proven you're the alpha, and you've got the verbal human equivalent of the submissive puppy roll to show for it... if it works for you, have at it. But it isn't a universal way of raising kids.
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10/17/06, 05:43 AM
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Mansfield, VT for 200 yrs
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Originally Posted by sullen
The sad thing is people like Dana's family ( and mine) will be stuck taking care of people like the other family. When the SHTF. (Like now)
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The S is H T F right now? Where? Why?
You know what is amusing? They are probably sitting down with their friends saying "those are just the sort of people WE will be taking care of..."
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10/17/06, 05:46 AM
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All I can say is I can't wait to see it!!!!!!!!!
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10/17/06, 05:54 AM
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I have a not-great copy on VHS if anyone needs it...I got about 1/2 of last Thursday's Survivor on the front end and it's an old tape so it's a bit whoOoOoOoshy but it works! PM me an address and I can send it along.
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10/17/06, 06:12 AM
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I don't see where there was anything bad tina said in the interview... Dirty? a small home with everyone livin in it that i a working farm will NOT be as clean and uncluttered as a large home with a staff... looking between the two Tina likely chose a bad word of dirty- instead of cluttered and crowded- well that and you guys wear shoes and boos- well and clothes more than three times. It is about perspective.
I was surprised to read that Tina was a times two cancer survivor...
I am not seeing a whole lot to be miffed about in the interview? Yours is as different as hers. I don't agree with the lifestyle the rich folk have of the extravagance of the disposables and clothes etc. I would likely die if my wife would goto a store and buy twenty pair of designer shoes at once as tina said in the interview but I would not have too hard a time over a pair or two f designer jeans if it made her look and feel that good and it was bought with cash and part of her "mad money".
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10/17/06, 06:13 AM
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Dana, DW and I watched the show and found it very interesting. It was neat putting a face to your postings.
I don't usually watch wifeswap but sometimes DW hooks me into watching. I was impressed at the lack of conflict when the two couples sat down.
I have to say, I don't know that I would be willing to put my life on a show like that.
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10/17/06, 06:26 AM
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Our normal tv would have been Deal or no Deal but we watched wife swap tonight . I kind of wish ya would have offe'd stew lol . We enjoyed the show the Wife got off the pc even  Dana your #1 !
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10/17/06, 06:43 AM
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Dana, we loved the show and you and your family did great. There are only two things that I would have done different:
1. Stu would have been stew
2. It would have been great if Charles had immediately dropped a 20 in the yell jar and told her to let him know when he needs to put more in. 
Once again, GREAT JOB!
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10/17/06, 07:08 AM
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Excellent. Your family is great!!!!!
To funny that Dana said we are packing clothes we bought for the Clover Boys.
And then to find out ABC purchased them at Wal-mart.
Your homestead is great.
Wish I was your neighbor.
We taped the show so I am going to watch it again today.
What's up with your son and the tree??? Too Funny!!
Also where was your daughter for most of the show? Did your mom have her?
My question is how to you get to the "new house" ?
Does ABC put you on regular plane or on one of theirs.
Also where do the people go to get to the table where you meet the other family at the end?
Congradulations.
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10/17/06, 07:09 AM
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. I was impressed at the lack of conflict when the two couples sat down.
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My thoughts exactly. It was refreshing to see that everyone was civil.
I wished they had focused more on the "new" wife doing farm style stuff rather than her opinion that your kids were suffering from lack of "Clover Cool".
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10/17/06, 07:10 AM
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You cracked me up first thing reading the weekly schedule, about the $30,000 mediation garden that she never uses, "throw a towel on the ground, and pray" LOL!!! and the look on the faces of the dinner guests when you mentioned butchering hogs, they were Horrified! Poor Grandma, tina's own Mom!! she should be ashamed!
We also have booooyyyysss 5 of them and our youngest No# 6 is a girl. On Sunday afternoon, we had a family butcher line going on. the 5 year old daughter was catching ducks till we had a cage full then the bigger boy was butchering the 8 yr old getting the lungs out, as older son's hands are too big. then the 5 year old was washing them with the hose in our outdoor sink, and I who was slightly sick and exhausted was putting the clean birds after checking into the large pan o water, for refridgeration.
they seeing the father bring out the butcher knife said " who needs a knife for a rabbit?" lol! We twist necks, or some of us whack behind the head and the cut throats.
I was hoping you were getting like $40,000, I guess I was thinking of the other trading spouses or whatever. I know you put it to good use!
I was disapointed also not to see the danes. But when she brought in your mom, to do the housework that was Priceless!! why would anyone want to lie in bed? boring!
$5000 to sit on the couch and listen? I hope his workers didn't see that!! I want $5000 extra to show up on time! lol! My kids wouldn't have pulled that but if they did, it would be "what in your room would you like to keep because you just lost ____?? " now get your butt back on that couch!
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10/17/06, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TxCloverAngel
yeah........
But be nice! and for the record...
My home is...
1.) Small
2.) cluttered (too little roome, too much ppl/stuff)
But it is NOT "Dirty" period.
AND,,
My home is full of love and affection, BUT it is mixed w/ a healthy dose discipline & structure.
ok vent over.
*chanting to self* I will be nice... I will be nice... I will be nice..........
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AND you're family is filled with young men who will be self sufficient when they reach age 18.
I dare say (IMHO) the girlie-pods in the Lovazzano are going to be living off Daddy's hard work until they find (and divorce) a sugar-daddy of equal capacity to squander enough cash to build an enterprise zone in the inner-city and/or feed an entire village in Darfur!
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10/17/06, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MorrisonCorner
Different parenting techniques are not necessarily "bad." I personally find it offensive that my husband was trained from infancy to say "yes maam" to all women. When I hear that I'm pretty sure he's not actually listening to me, just agreeing reflexively from training. He has no idea what I just said but he knows from training that the "right answer" is the "polite" answer. Since I'd rather he was paying attention than mouthing polite I'm not impressed.
There's another cultural difference we don't see in the northeast, the use of "Mz Kelly.." "Mz" and a woman's first name. While we have moved away from a child calling an older person Mr. or Mrs. and their last name (most children call us by our first names, no title) I find the "Mz firstname" convention sounds peculiar to my ears.
A child, anyone for that matter, can be respectful without resorting to mouthing a title. Mouthing "sir" in times of stress strikes me as being somewhat similar to my puppy dropping and rolling in front of my alpha male. So you've proven you're the alpha, and you've got the verbal human equivalent of the submissive puppy roll to show for it... if it works for you, have at it. But it isn't a universal way of raising kids.
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Is that why the Lovazzano girls basically laughed at and ignored their father's instruction ... a father who was quoted more than once saying " it's their mother's fault."
Sorry, but IMHO I see nothing but an un-hollywood ending for the ladies of Lovazzano.
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I just finished reading both manuals and interviews. I came away with the impression that Bruce doesn't want to be bothered with his family except when they go out to dinner on the one night of the week. Tina doesn't want to be a mother who takes care of the kids and the home, she wants to be a friend to her daughters and let Grandma do the real work.
Dana and Charles both love the time they spend with their kids. I loved this reply by Dana to the question about spending time without the children. Spend time without the kids? I haven't even gone to the bathroom by myself in 12 years! There's always fingers or toes wiggling underneath the door and someone asking, "Mommy can you see my finger? Mommy are you in there?" I get a kick out of it.
If I had to choose which home I'd rather live in it would be the Clover's with not a moment's hesitation.
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10/17/06, 07:29 AM
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I don't see where there was anything bad tina said in the interview... Dirty? a small home with everyone livin in it that i a working farm will NOT be as clean and uncluttered as a large home with a staff... looking between the two Tina likely chose a bad word of dirty- instead of cluttered and crowded- well that and you guys wear shoes and boos- well and clothes more than three times. It is about perspective.
I was surprised to read that Tina was a times two cancer survivor...
I am not seeing a whole lot to be miffed about in the interview? Yours is as different as hers. I don't agree with the lifestyle the rich folk have of the extravagance of the disposables and clothes etc. I would likely die if my wife would goto a store and buy twenty pair of designer shoes at once as tina said in the interview but I would not have too hard a time over a pair or two f designer jeans if it made her look and feel that good and it was bought with cash and part of her "mad money".
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your right Paul. I think I am getting a little defensive.
That is one of my pet peeves.. don't call my house DIRTY!I work very hard to keep 1000sr ft clean. lol And saying that my children are treated w/ a lack of affection & tenderness... well, Mama Bear got mad.
and... the cancer? well I guess it irked me because we were not allowed to speak of that. they (Tina & Bruce) didn't want that to be part of the story. And I used it as a point, "What more do you ppl need to go thru before you realize what is really important? Not status.. not clothes.. not Money... EACHOTHER!! It kinda made me think that they didn't like the way they looked, so they pulled on heart strings. No biggie.. I know.
and I think its funny how she had to point out the "pig I bought the Clover Family at the feed store."
ummmm I picked out the pig.. ABC payed for it before Tina came to our home. The feed store held it for her to pick up tho.... geesh...
ok.... calm now.
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10/17/06, 07:35 AM
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I watched the show and you and your family were great!! I loved your place,the way you are bringing up the kids and all the animals. You really do live off the land.....and I am sooo proud of your for instilling some values into those girls ---they needed it.
You did a wonderful job.
And Your hubby showed his true colors, was not phony and "came around" with some tenderness, with is very manly.
I don't want to say aything about the other family except you made you mark there...very good! I was tickled pink to watch someone I 'know' do such a fine job. 
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10/17/06, 07:48 AM
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As Dana has mentioned a couple of times; please everyone remember the power of the cutting room floor!!!!!
Both families were edited to make them look as extreme as possible. Do I think in real life Charles continually terrifies the children into doing things they really don't want to do? Absolutely not. Yet from the tone of the show that's what you would think. As mentioned, the boys were upset they didn't show them all spending time and playing together. What they have done is take the Clover's values and make some of them seem positively harsh. If you really look at the backbone of the family-everyone seems very well adjusted and happy.
I also think that's true of the L. family-that too was edited to show the most drama possible! Just look at the press release of the L. family. It might appear as though Tina has nothing to worry about aside from which car to drive, but everybody has a story that could break your heart.
On any given day, if my family were being videotaped practically 24/7; you could edit our lives, our thoughts, our comments and create an episode from the Clover family and the L. family. I see a bit of both families in us! We do have privlages that most don't. Yet we have trials and tribulations you can't imagine. Yet even my greatest of friends believe my life is just picture perfect.
And all the while, we try extremely hard to make our children appreciate hard work and to not take anything for granted. We don't yell. Truthfully because my voice doesn't carry well. They know I mean business by my LOOK and my TONE. Does that mean my children aren't respectful? Absolutely not. Does that mean I am going to judge if someone else yells to get their children's attention? Heck No.
Just remember the power of the cutting room floor folks! Reserve judgement. You aren't seeing the whole side to the story!
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