People and Trespassing?

I read the first couple posts and quit reading before I start cussin.
I hate trespassers.

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A sucker is born every minute. Personally, I'd be eating 1500 lbs of bull burger.

Pete

Too obvious! But I do have some nice raised beds for my tomato plants...

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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin~

No, but it's MUCH safer to do so. 'nuff said.

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This discussion of trespassing reminds me of the time, on our first place, that we were regularly noticing a car go past the house on the drive up the hill. We had a gravel quarry on the hilltop, and years before we bought the place the quarry was popular with kids for "parking". By the time this incident had happened, it was no longer the hot night spot for teenagers, as our house and buildings were on both sides of the drive.

Back to the incident--we were noticing a car, looked like the same one, going past the house and up the hill in the wee hours, a couple of nights a week. I parked the truck partway across the drive, at the end of the day, but it made no difference. Finally, one night (early morning) when the car going past woke me up, I was mad, and got up, and let the truck coast backwards to totally and completely block the drive. Then I went back to bed. An hour or more later, the car came down the hill, stopped by the truck, and sat there. Soon there was knocking on the door. I answered the door, and a fellow, late 20s or early 30s, asked if I could m ove the truck. I asked him what he was doing on my property. He seemed embarrassed, but I went out to move the truck. There was a woman in his car, trying to hide. I figured out who he was from his license plate number, and found out that the woman in the car was someone elses wife, and they worked together on a late shift at the local hospital.

They never came back, together, but a month or 2 later, a car drove up and it was the woman and her husband, and he was asking around to find a place to go hunting. For some reason she seemed a bit embarassed and ill at ease.

Bigboy, I had to laugh. My husband said the same thing!

I kind of had to think about that "hot pursuit" think myself as every cow that's lose that I've seen is not running, just standing there. If you saw your cattle on someone else's property I don't think that they'd run off in the 30 seconds that it takes to go get permission.

Once our sheep found their way through into the pasture next door into the trees, but all we had to do was stand on our side and bang on a 5 gallon bucket and call them and they all came running. It pays to have trained animals. When our neighbors cattle use to come over every once in a great while all he had to do was drive his truck over. As soon as he was noticed they'd all come running and follow his truck back into their own pasture.

All my animals are trained to come when I whistle a certain way. It was sooooo easy to train them. Every time I feed them, I do that special whistle. One time 3 horses got out. 2 of them were new ones that were not trained yet, and one was my favorite that I rode twice a day. I gave the special whistle, waited a few minutes, then did it again. This went on for about 10 or 15 minutes. Then I heard hoof beats up the road. I heard them running for a while before I seen them. I went out and opened the front gate, then watched them come running down the road and into the yard. The new horses followed my favorite girl home.

It pays to work with your animals and have them trained. Animals will learn any repetive action and react to it. Just about everyone free ranges cattle in this area (fences are to keep cattle out, not in). I have a neighbor who puts a bucket of feed on the tailgate of his truck, then drives around the mountains. By the time he gets home, his cattle are following the truck.

Anyone who wants to take proper care of animals won't be tresspassing on someones land in "hot pursuit". That's not the proper way to handle animals.

I used to have a black angus bull that often jumped the fence to my neighbors field. He had heifers over there and it was impossible to keep the bull away from them. Thankfully my neighbor didn't mind as my prize bull improved his herd with each visit. But the point here is that sometimes animals will do what comes natural and there is nothing you can do to stop them. My answer to the wondering bull was to take him to the sale barn. He now has a home with a herd of thousands of heifers and is probably very happy to stay on his own side of the fence. Today I can look at my neighbors cattle and pick out the ones that are decended from my bull as they weigh much more than the others.

In most of our western provinces, a vehicle with a cattle/horse trailer is watched and approached.The occupants are scrutinized and documented.There have been waay to many stock ruslings and one farmer has lost over 1500 sheep..TWICE.These folks should expect to see a gun when they are approached.A buddy went back to the homestead after many years just 4 old times sake..Sat in his truck and looked and remeinisced..It was more than an hour when a woman approached him with shotgun in hand and asked his intenetions..(sp)he explained the family lineage and that he hadn,t been around in years.She told him he better be moving along and don,t come back..Folks are down rite hostile towards outsiders..and ritefully so

I had to dash into the neighbors yard to get my pig but they werent home and if i had gone to the door and find out, I would have lost my pig. It was my first day and the pig didn't know where "home" was and it would have just keep going.

If it was my turkeys walking across their lawn slowly then I might have asked but not when the pig is running as fast as it could.

Except for a few of the more recent arrivals, I think everyone here pretty much knows my feelings towards trespassers. We keep our property well posted. It's almost time for our fall perimeter walk with a roll of tyvek "no trespassing" signs. We buy them by the roll.

As far as legal rights and obligations, it depends on the state and possibly the locality, depending.

As far as the situation described, I'd think the appropriate thing to do would be to hello the house. I have a picture in my mind of grazing cattle more than one of a thundering herd with the cowboys in hot pursuit.

Personally, I consider ALL trespassers as armed and dangerous (Especially after the Vang incident) until proven otherwise. A neighbor coming up the drive is a different kettle of fish. We have a couple neighbors that we give the run of the place to and a few more that we don't miond coming visiting by the path from the back. That's about it.

Mike

I dont have to post anything
If you dont own the property, stay off it. Thats pretty easy to understand.

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michiganfarmer posted

If you think you own it why don't you stop paying property tax and see how long Michigan lets you keep it. You don't own anything if you have to bribe the state to let you alone.

There ya go! Now isn't that simple?

And I agree with you, Palani, that we don't actually OWN property if it can be taken by the gubment, BUT... but my names on it and I have more interest in it than anyone else, so that's ALL that counts!

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BigBoy

Lets say you have an equitable interest that the state respects as long as you don't owe them any money. Also If they need your property you will be out on your ear since eminent domain clearly overrides any of your interests. This is another example of why you don't own what you think you own. For more examples just go the the Secretary of States website for your state and enter your name and town in their UCC1 search engine. You'll find out which banker owns the rest of your assets.

If you actually owned the land when United flew a 747 over it you would get to charge them with trespass too since you supposedly own from the center of the earth to the stars above. Yet only the west has uncontrolled airspace. Everywhere else the FAA says they own the airspace.

That works fine as long as you aren't abutting public land...or a Scout camp for that matter. (One of the other gals led a hike last summer about five miles off camp property onto the neighbours. She didn't see the camp's postings because they were facing outwards from the property on large trees and saw her mistake coming back in). On public land, topo maps don't show property lines and even park maps aren't always entirely clear on them. I know I've found myself on trails that were going along quite nicely till whoops! sign! Then I turn right back around again, but I don't know to do so, till I see that sign or other clues like a gate or a shed.

If you absolutely don't want folks on your property really, the best thing to do is fence it. Can't miss a fence. If they still hop over then you can get them on willfull tresspass and they can't claim otherwise.

We've had problems with the neighbor's kids trespassing into our yard. We have something called Everyman's Right where you can go anywhere in a forest but you have to stay away 50 meters from homes.

I would wake up and go feed my birds when I noticed footprints RIGHT in front of our window/front door. I thought it was a one time occurance but it kept happening.

Our local neighbor boys (who have a flag of Lenin in their living room, and I'm American..so yeah lol) were an bad bunch of apples. They used to point lazers in the windows to scare my MIL, get drunk and make noise, play loud music. Hubby didn't want to confront them but muahahhah, I didn't mind.

The boys cut infront of our house because they were too lazy to walk an extra 50 feet to their driveway. I wouldn't mind if they were good kids but they weren't. I caught the middle boy twice.

Once I didn't even notice he was coming, I had opened the front door to scare off a predator from scaring my birds. The kid was in our driveway, and he looked like he could poo a brick LOL! I glared at him and he did quit for about a year.

Early last year I was talking to the birds again (how crazy do I look) and I saw him cut AGAIN. I crossed my arms and scowled at him, he ran like spitfire through the bushes home.

The other neighbor built a small footbridge so that solved the problem

I don't like trespassers either..I'm very protective of my home and family.

Katrina

I think all this chat about whether the govt. actually owns the land or a person does is a silly argument and is completely beside the point. After all, you can tell police to leave your property unless they have probable cause to be there. Yes you have to pay your taxes, but big deal, that has nothing to do with trespassing. And if we get technical about our property, the military owns our airspace as we're in a military no fly zone. But we do get to watch a lot of really cool dog fights!

That's when I squirt the throttle a bit, to reduce the amount of time I am trespassing.

Pete

Ok, this won't be popular, but because of a recent situation with horses running off... I probably wouldn't get to upset with them.

When tracking an animal, it's REALLY easy not to know who's land you are on, who's property starts where and ends where.

I would give them the benefit of the doubt, but if they were trail riding (casual fun) or 4 wheeling... to me that's a different story.

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I'm not sure I have a throttle to squirt....my feet don't come equipt with one and I don't think motorbikes and the like belong in public forest.