Update: on the SHTF for us

As a rule, I will always help out someone in a bind because I'd had some tough times in my life and I don't think that anyone should ever become so jaded that they refuse to help others. Having said that, I would also point out that I tend to be situation specific and will generally not just hand over cash. If someone tells me they're hungry, I'll buy them a sandwich, if someone is in need of financial help, I will find them a job or hire them to do some odd jobs for me for a few hours. I find that handing over cash tends to make situations like this. It works the first couple times and then seems to create more situations instead of people looking for real solutions to their situations. I see many people each day here that I would like to help but they are either too far away for my brand of help or they aren't actively seeking help but solutions and suggestions. I don't think anyone that helped out should feel bad because they helped out with a pure heart and they helped out based on the information they had. With current information, they have every right to be unhappy about being misled but I sure hope that doesn't change them. Each and every one of you that did help out are wonderful people, go to bed tonight knowing that. You didn't do anything wrong and your creator will know that you did something kind and generous. The same creator will judge someone who was not honest with you so you don't have to waste your time standing in judgement. You remain heroes to me.

Before this thread gets closed, or even after (if its not deleted), I would hope that some of the valuable information in it and the original could be condensed and saved. Many people find themselves in desperate situations and need financial help or type of income. In the time of these two posts, many ideas for everything from work at home jobs, temporary income gain, financial institutions, numbers & contacts for government and local agencies, etc have been accumulated here. I would hate to see this information go to waste that might benefit another in need and searching for help or answers.

I would be willing to try to create such a post if it is thought to be a worthy cause by the community. Unfortunately I can't say if I could do it in a day or several weeks due to RL. I just really would like to make sure that information is available to any that might come along and need it. I know a few years ago, I was one of those that would have cherished anything that might help my DH and I out.

It doesn't happen often but,

................I'm speechless

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Never was even tempted to help this guy, though I have helped people less fortunate before - and will again.
Something just didn't seem "right" about him and his claims.
That being said, I don't think anyone here should "feel bad" because they were kindhearted and generous enough, to care about other people.
The fact that he put the same exact post, on another forum, was a HUGE red flag to me, for if he was truly just looking for "ideas" he would have gotten and did get PLENTY here....people don't do that kind of thing unless they're really hoping for $$$$, instead of "ideas."

Maybe someone could make a "sticky" and just add the links that have been posted on these two thread. I know I was also in a situation similar to theirs back in 02 and 03. I would have been glad to have some of those resources.

MichelleIL,
I wholeheartedly forgive you ..and your sincerity is very much appreciated.

If I seem a bit distressed lately ..its because I'm going through a very disturbing situation in my personal life. There is at least one member of HT who has been involved in some 'behind-the-scenes' activity against me. For that reason ..I may have to quit HT.
In light of this ..I surely hope you can take it to heart when I said that your sincerity is very much appreciated. It most truly is! Thank you!

I've learned a lot from Ken's recent discussions ..and am still learning. I hope everyone can feel good about supporting Ken. I also hope that those who didn't support Ken will remain supportive of everyone who did.
From the beginning of Ken's discussions ..Angie and MBB have provided me a high level of support ..they have encouraged me ..and they have helped me maintain a sense of balance. Throughout these discussions ..even when Ken yelled at me for questioning his ability to handle money in a responsibile manner ..I still supported him.

The most importatnt thing I'll take with me is that I made my peace with Ken via a PM ..and Ken also with me. The last words I personally received from Ken were kind words ..thoughtful words ..peaceable words. That is how I wish to remember Ken ..and for those reasons ..I will not dogpile on him here.

If my safety and welfare dictate that I need to move on and leave HT ..then so be it. Should that happen ..I will be moving on a little bit wiser ..but also a little bit sadder.

You take care michelleIL..

Unbelievable.



After reading this thread til my head hurts I can only come to one conclusion.

Ken................Star

It's all Clinton's fault.

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What in the world? Hey QP...I'm all for ya staying around...If anyone is threatening you, you need to hash it out with mods or admins...

No One should have to leave HT because someone is threatening or back-stabbing...

I hate that kind of activity and I'm sure the mods and admins do too.

Funny thing happened last night to me as well...seems there were some PM rumors that QBVII was my "Partner" (Wife). LOL...anyone with a good memory of the spring thread about "Communal-Living Naysayers, UNITE", will remember that QB HATED me back then...

I tried to read the thread last night but it got so bad that CF had to delete most of the posts due to our ongoing verbal combat...

We've since become friends, and PM each other sometimes...I thought it was pretty funny that rumors were flying that we were married...

I'm sure she'll be mortified when she reads this....LOL

Anyway, my point is, this is your place as much as it is anyone elses and I've never seen you do anything except post your thoughts...don't let rumors and innuendo run you off...

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(A REAL scientist)

For those who would still like to offer physical help they need the porch and a rear deck taken off of the mobile home before they come to tow it off (assuming that is to be the case). Kenneth would be physically unable to do such activity and wife and daughter, from what I understand, would be limited physically as well.

According to Kenneth GT told them if they made a payment before the 20th they would have an additional ten days or so to make a second then about three weeks to make the third to catch up, with two additional payments tacked on the end of the loan. If a payment isn't made by the 20th GT could take action fairly quickly afterwards.

If you want to offer to help on the porch and deck you can contact them at healthwizard@surfbest.net. Likely you would need to bring all of the tools required. I don't know if porch and deck are nailed or screwed down.

Likely they will need temporary steps into the mobile home also and appliances moved to cottage or cargo box.

They are located southeast of Kings Mountain, NC a couple of miles off I-85. Their property borders the SC line.

From what I understand from them they have no friends or family in the area who would be willing to help them on such projects.

I thought it was all Bush's fault.

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Not surprised. Actually I wondered how long it would be before the gossip started. I think it was the "weenie fixation" thread........

Just for the record: NO, Boleyz is not my husband. AND, I am not his wife. I am married, but my hubby doesn't post here.

Boleyz, we're just a couple of shady characters.

What's that supposed to mean jnap? I think I've been one of the most consistant personalities throughout both of Ken's recent SHTF discussions! I'm not ashamed of it either! Based upon the information we were relying upon ..many many many many people contributed to and supported Ken.


Certainly ..nobody is condoning their behavior. And I don't see anyone is supporting them now. Mostly ..people are only supporting their own heartfelt reasons for contributing. Concerning all those who did support Ken ..they should not be viewed as any less intelligent than those who were suspicious.

Yes ..I admint I was suspicious from the start ..and several members can attest to that fact through various PM corrospondence I had with them. But ..I decided to give Ken the benefit of a doubt. I firmly believe that many others did too. Were we stupid? I THINK NOT!!!! We were lead by our kind hearts ..and by our strong desire to help somebody who appeared to be in dire need.

For anyone who sat back early on and said nothing ..but are now exclaiming after the fact that they didn't give a gift solely because they were suspicious ..seems to be a bit like the proverbial "I-told-you-so". I can't help but wonder that if more of the suspicious folks would have spoken up in the beginning ..perhaps some of us may have investigated a bit more throughly.

One person that I've been talking to admitted to me ..before all this came to light ..that he wasn't going to reveal his suspicions because Ken was too popular and he didn't want to upset the apple cart. But in my opinion ..to keep silent about your suspicions for the sole reason to maintain your own popularity seems to be very hypocritical.
I just don't see any sense in dogpiling on Ken now. Live and learn ..and move on. Just my point of view..so please don't attack it.

Does this mean the apology was in the eighteen minutes of tape that disappeared?

Ya gotta be kinda old to get it!

Anyone who'd breathed a word of "hey wait a minute" on the original SHTF thread would have been lynched.

All I said was that we need to bear in mind that this is the internet and we don't know "what people do at home", meaning when Kenneth was discussing his diabetic problems, I innocently remarked that this is the internet and we are not privy to his diet at home. I was piled on for that little comment, called a troll, etc.

Don't blame anyone for not speaking up sooner; I imagine they read the thread and saw the reaction to even casual remarks.

I'm not old!!

The tape didn't disappear, as I recall. It had a lot of "accidently" erased spots in it.

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Seems like if 2 people agree on something, it must be a "Conspiracy"!

We have been enjoying the thread on the out-takes from the "Splitting Land" thread...

I didn't know that free-wheeling internet discussion and fun meant you must be "Married"...I like several on here and consider them good cyber-friends, but I've never met anyone on here personally...

It's amazing to me how I single-handedly, with public posts, debates and discussion, incur the wrath of so many people...

BTW, the next time I'm the first one cursed on a thread, I am absolutely going to whine to a moderator until something is done...You'd better quit cursing me first...Curse someone else, then curse me...OR...

Ya Won't Have Boleyz to Kick Around Anymore!!

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Yes, sorry, my wording wasn't quite correct. I was referring to 18 minutes of the tape disappeared (erased). I guess if I am going to make a joke, I had better have more coffee!

Qwispea-

I disagree with your pov on revealing suspicions early on. I have been on this board since before Y2K, and I very clearly remember some of Kenneth's other attempts to raise money. I have been suspicious of him for a long time, since (from his posts) he never seems to be willing or able to do anything to improve his situation from one year to the next, yet, he frequently posts about new rifles, gold panning equipment, metal detectors, and other toys he and his wife have purchased. They always seemed to have cash for those sorts of things, but none to pay the bills. And I have to confess, I never had ANY inkling that Star was his wife, that was a complete surprise to me. But, nonetheless, I doubted him. Did anyone ever notice that the $25k amount he sought so often was just around the same amount that he had mentioned needing in one of his many posts about moving to another location? That is the amount he needed for his "get out of town" money.

But, would I have mentioned my suspicions on the SHTF thread? Not a chance! I would have been tarred and feathered and run off the forum by those who supported Ken and spoke up for his fine character and said what a great friend he is of theirs. People believe what they want to believe, and they aren't necessarily interested in the truth, especially if it conflicts with what they already believe. We have seen evidence of that time and again on this forum. And no, I am not omnipotent, I speak from direct experience gained right here on the forum. Early on, when this was the Countryside forum and we had a much smaller, much more closely-knit group, I contributed cash on three different occassions to three different members. Not once did I ever recieve an acknowledgement or a thank you from the recipients, and further posting from them afterwards made me realize that donating to people is not the way to help them. I have learned that (in general, barring any catastrophic events), when fully grown adult people who have the means to own a computer, have internet access, and participate on a forum on a regular basis find themselves in financial trouble, it is often because they lack the wherewithal to manage their finances responsibly, and I decided there wasn't any point in throwing money down a black hole because those people will continue to lurch from one crisis to the next, finding people along the way to prop them up and get them through to the next crisis. The next time someone wants help from me, they better have already sold their computer, cancelled their internet service, cable/satellite tv, quit drinking and smoking, if applicable, and have been eating beans and rice for a good long while before asking for help. And, making an honest effort to help themselves first would go a long way in my book. I have had my own share of disasters in life and managed to get through them without asking anyone for help, and I am just one small woman, alone in the world until I met Jackpine Savage two years ago- but until then, I did everything myself and took care of a number of other people at the same time. So, forgive me if I am less charitable than I once was, and a little more cynical, but experience has taught me that those who are truly in need are often the last ones to ask for help, and those asking the loudest, and most often, are often the ones who are least willing to do anything to help themselves. I have chosen not to enable those kinds of people to take advantage of me again. It doesn't help me, and i really do not believe that it helps them.

If Kenneth had responded to a single one of my suggestions, or my offer to loan him a phone recorder I might have been less skeptical, but the fact is, I don't believe there is a GT rep hassling him- if a mortgage company rep called and threatened/harassed me like that I would jump at the chance to catch it on tape and sue the heck out of the company, but Kenneth wasn't interested at all. Besides which, early on, Kenneth posted that he had finally gotten to speak with a manager who agreed that they were not in default- so I am confused now as to why GT is allegedly going ahead with the foreclosure. I don't care who your lender is, they are not going to foreclose because you are 8 days late with a payment for the first time in the history of your loan- that just doesn't happen. For one thing, by law, you always have a 15 day grace period. But, I am done trying to point out Kenneth's inconsistencies, there were plenty of them and anyone who is interested can go back and look at his old posts.

But, I will say, that had I mentioned my suspicions at the beginning of the SHTF thread, I am quite certain that I would have been banned from the forum, so don't be too quick to judge others who had similar doubts- people were jumping all over themselves in support of Kenneth and his family. No way would I go up against them.

Bearcreekfarm,
Best post on this thread.
I agree completely with everything you said.

Kinda gets under my skin a little though to know there's somebody out there PM'ing saying that I'm married to Boleyz.
(No offense to the attic-dweller, though!)

I've NEVER pretended to be anyone or anything on this board but who I am and I can tell you that Boleyz is NOT my husband.

So whoever is saying that we're married: knock it OFF!

Nah--you're being a little unfair to the Mods there. They're not that crazed.