Update: on the SHTF for us

Do not all concerned realize this thread has no end? There is ample display of misdirected innuendos, basic stupidity, useless info. This is a waste of energy, not to mention the vast amount of electrons that are inconvenienced via this waste of resources. Its called 'the food chain', the strong survive, the weak do not.

Its time to move on, there is no profit here concerning time or energy; lost, consumed resources, wasted expenditure's. Those whom are doing their 'yap dog' imitations are now well displayed and documented, this exercise in futility needs to be over. Maybe its time to grow up, if such applies to you individually.

In this thread I have been accused of having something to do with 'microwaves', an unsubstantiated charge, I read the microwave thread and saw no entry by myself.

There is no salvaging those whom cannot cover their own hind side, it is not our purpose or responsibility to do such. Heartless, no, there was a donation sent by my partner, food off of our table, this was done without my input. Empathy, yes, I lived in a Ford van for 95 days just a couple of years back. Water was supplied by public sources and stored in 1 gallon plastic containers; sewage, you do not want to know. Electricity, 12 volt as the battery would supply. Cooking, can you say tar-tar? Accommodations, a 4 inch mattress on the van floor. Assistance requested - none. Assistance issued - none.

We have grown to be a soft society, its time to prepare for hard times, the economy is failing. This situation displays a lot of what is going to happen soon, there will be no one to help anybody bail out of trouble.

The Star/Stella thing, (in my opinion), a spill over from a private/ inside joke that went (improperly) public. Deception - not intentional, but not stopped soon enough.

The long running background of this currant problem should have been handled much earlier, it is not beneficial to sit on a problem and hope for a solution, most often you have to grab the bull by its horns (or otherwise) and handle the situation by yourself.

The lesson of timely action seems to be the related item here. All that read this need to keep it in mind for the future.

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The Unibomber was an intelligent man. Once he was caught, did he get another chance to do it again? NO!!!

Neither will Kenneth: he has been banned. It was bound to happen.

For those whom have not seen it; Kenneth in NC has been removed from posting here, this dead horse now needs to be buried.

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OMG!!

It wasn't me.

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Thank you for sharing this, Clovis.

I also wanted to help catch up the arrears. I just had a nagging feeling that Kenneth was not trying hard enough to cut his costs, and earn some money (legitimate money- not pie in the sky invention money).

I kept remembering the comment about how bad his wifes hours were at the temp agency job- some days 630am to 230pm, some days 330a to 230p. Gainful employment should not be taken for granted.

This was before the deception about the cookware was exposed. I don't condemn the man for that, but it is very disappointing.

Rick

Wow! As the saying goes, "what a difference a day makes...."

I checked in here yesterday morning before heading into town and wasn't able to get back on until this morning......

It took me awhile to go backwards and catch up, but I did (and Ken S., for the record, I, too, use my real name). And, since I have no "partner," husband or otherwise, what you see is what you get.

My only input, because this is a dead horse, is I have known a lot of people on disability who are "unable" to work but can collect their money, go hunting, ride horses, water and snow ski while I go to work every day, bust my butt (I'm a 52-year-old woman) working in a sawmill and still not bring home as much $$$ as those who "can't" work.

I lost my farm (of almost 30 years) two years ago to foreclosure, lived in a camping trailer for a year with my three kids, dogs and cats, picked myself up, scraped together a small down payment for an "as is" mobile home on 5 acres, and relocated 100 miles from everything and everyone I had known.

And, I never asked anyone for free help. There were a few people who helped me but I always paid them rent or, in the case of where I had to keep my goats for a year, paid all their (the goats) support and then some.

Anyway, I'm not going to say I was suspicious about Kenneth's intentions because I don't think that was the case. It did bother me that every suggestion was met, more or less, with a negative response as to why it couldn't/wouldn't work. And, like I said, I am always suspect of someone who can't find SOME kind of work. It even seemed to me, that if Kenneth could spend so much time on the computer, he could find some kind of work sitting at a desk or something......

Anyway, my only input in this thread had been the suggestion to check local laws regarding moving older mobile homes, so I'm not out anything.

What a long strange trip this has been !!

I choose to give them the benefit of the doubt as far as the money soliciting thing, I never saw a thread where he actually asked for money, after all. I think from everything I have read here, Kenneth is a very sick man in a very bad situation, he is overwhelmed. I truly hope he and wife and daughter get their lives back on track, in some way or other.

That said, the thing I really can't understand is the wierdness of the Kenneth/Star posts. I suspected awhile ago from matching their profiles that they must be husband/wife. Those posts intentionally tried to make it seem they didn't know each other, things like he asking her "what part of NC are you in.."and she saying he shipped things to her. She never really explained that in her post. It seems other couples who post here are upfront about it, or at least don't go out of their way to deceive. Very Odd !!

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LOL you goofballs.
Actually Mrs only posts rarely under my name,and identifies herself as Mrs BooBoo,Like Mrs Oz does,or Mr Dot.

But on the subject discussed of are we real with 'phoney' names,the BooBoo you see here is pretty much the real BooBoo,I dont make things up about my life or kids or grandkids,or what we do for a living.Or what we believe in.You can take that to the bank,you can bet on it,its real.

So I may not use my real name because ive seen some real whackjobs online,doesnt mean Im not 'real'

And this has sure been interesting,this thread.

Hasnt destroyed my faith in people,I have no regrets from me,personally, but I do have regrets that I 'may' have steered others wrong,that I regret.But I did so with a pure heart,IF I/we got burned,then so be it.It happens.

I Just dont really know what is what on the whole situation anymore.That said,at that point I will just stop any further contribution to the situation.

I still wish them well,I still said a prayer for them,and I still hope it all works out for them.Just it wont be from me anymore because my trust has been shaken,unfortunately ,but true nonetheless.

My biggest emotion on all this is just this,DISAPPOINTMENT.

BooBoo

While some members and I were checking out how to best help Kenneth, inconsistencies and questions kept arising. After two or three days, and inconsistent informtion and Kenneth's indecision things weren't working. Then the offer of the donation of the mobile home and good people wanting to get it in for him, etc. Just after that, Kenneth made a decision at 11pm at night and decided on what the "cabin" needed to be code livable.

About that time frame I posted in Mod forum about the questioning and inconsistencies and the Star/Stella connection. One of the members that had been working hard to figure out how to help them came across it after she'd found a few other things that did not add up.

The thread looked as if it was gong to die and nothing would need to be actively done at this time.

About 11 am yesterday I received a Pm from Kenneth on what to do next since the thread had died. At that time I went back to the mod board and it was suggested that Kenneth be asked out right if Star and Stella were the same and his wife. Ken S offered to take the heat for me, and asked the question.

All of you have seen the results of that question. That was the intent of the question, so all members would enter into any kindnesses with eyes wide open. The question would give Kenneth the opportunity to make a reasonable explanation and if so, the help party could move on. As you have seen, it has not worked that way.

Due to all that has transpired, Kenneth in NC and Star in N.C. and I think new member Stella in NC have been banned.

I do think all this is a matter of intergrity and ethics - which seem to be lacking.

I was the mod that stood up for them when Fruggel Squirrel called him a scam and banned him. With the information I had then, what I said about him being a good member her was true.

But when I had serious doubts and what hurt it could do to the members, I did what I considered the ethical thing and took it to the mod board, and then we brought it to you in a manner that would allow for an explanation or what did happen.

And to those of you who have extended kindness to Kenneth can feel good about what you've done because of the spirit in which your gifts were given. Our decision to end this discussion here is simply for the purpose of maintaining the integrity of your generosity as best we can.

Now this issue is done, except for the final curtain which is probably soon.
I don't know if Cabin Fever will lock this thread immediately or let some other comments happen.

Angie

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Originally Posted by clovis
I think a few folks on this board may be a little harsh at this point, and may be jumping to conclusions.
I too have had a raised eyebrow about their situation, but have still kept them in my prayers.
I am curious though, when I offered this past week to, in essence, make a payment to Greentree on the MH, Kenneth politely refused my offer. He stated that my money would be wasted, since they had decided to let the MH get repossessed. You should also know that he basically declined any type of monetary gift, but was thankful, nonetheless.

If he were really a scam artist, why wouldn't he take my money????

If there is any question about this, have one of the mods open up my PM box and read for themselves!
clove

I also offered to send some money out of savings to help him keep the MH and he turned me down. So, like Clovis, I can't help but wonder why he turned me down if he's such a con man.

Let me see, how does that line in the Bible go? Something along the lines of 'judge not lest you be judged?'. There's some missing pieces here, folks.

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I agree, I came to all the revelations and issues late as I had not been following this thread. I am the one who said I was going to send something, and I certainly didn't urge anyone else, except one critical member to do the same.

I STILL DO NOT REGRET sending that money. If I forever refuse to give aid to someone because of past experience, then who has really won?

I chose to err on the side of generosity, but also use it as a lesson... but only a lesson on Kenneth and his situation.

I hope all involved will remain generous. I hope all who have the urge to say "I told you so" will be gracious, and I hope that this in no way diminishes our online community, but strengthens it.

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This is all so bizarre....

I pray people won't let such events influence their willingness to help others.

A bright spot in all this is to look back and see the GOODNESS in so many people willign to help out in their own way.

THAT helps to restore hope in our basic goodness in my opinion.

I'll give people a few more hours to air out their grievances and lock the thread after the football game. After that time, I would appreciate that no new threads will be started regarding this issue on the Homesteading Questions forum.

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Well said ZYG. Ditto, I don't regret sending money either. This incident isn't going to stop me from wanting, in the future, to give aid to someone.

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Could you let it go for the rest of the day,there are a lot of good posts here and its been very civil.I'd like to see more of peoples thoughts and i appreciate your keeping it going as long as you have.
I see lots of good people here,and they may have something they would like to say.

If not,no problem,I know its been a thorn in your side and respect that.

Thanks CF,

BooBoo

Yep,well said.I agree too.
My faith is still intact.

BooBoo

Al I'll say is I still feel sorry for people who have outcasted themselves so much from society that they feel the need to not only scam people here, but to talk to each other on a public forum and make as if they have never heard of each other.

WOW!!!!
I can't believe this, it's insane! I wasn't much of a member here, but I thought he was sincere! I am appalled and shocked!
WOW!!!

I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I guess you just don't do that these days! Sorry Quispea about our little row. I hope you'll forgive me. I have certainly learned quite a bit, as i think we all have. We have brainstormed up ways in which we could cope of the S were to really HTF!!!