Update: on the SHTF for us

Ruby · #**221** 09/16/06, 05:38 PM

I was going to keep quite about this, but!!!

When I gave him some back ground about how we coped when we were in really a worse place than his family is in he got angry. I apologized to him publicly and by privite message. I didn't have a good feeling about the first thread he started about their problems, but I went along and kept it to myself.

I guess I'm just leary about people who post about their problems and accept help money wise so eaisly, yet everytime some gave him some suggestion about how to help themselves he always came back with excuses about how it would not work.

I'm just sorry so many people have been taken for a ride, even I had started believing they were legit. I didn't send any money because my husband and I live on disability. If I had money to help I would help my own kids, one of who is about to loose his house because he lost his job.

Also I think if people had sent me money like the people here did for him. I would have started a thread THANKING those people, instead all I ever saw way once or twice he only said "you guys are great." I kept looking for that THANK YOU but never did.

Mountaineer · #**222** 09/16/06, 05:42 PM

Wow.

mightybooboo · #**223** 09/16/06, 05:43 PM

Thanks CF,I think you are right.There is more to be heard for now from folks,wise decision for now IMHO.

BooBoo

mightybooboo · #**224** 09/16/06, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rose2005

Well I for one do not see how it can be 'over' .

Rose,at some point we all make decisions,Im sorry Ive made mine,and REALLY sorry its come to that.

For me,Im disappointed and wont continue on.
For more than has been posted,and wont be posted by me,But Ive seen enough that questions credibility unfortunately.

Im truly sorry,but Im done with it.

BooBoo

Ken Scharabok · #**225** 09/16/06, 05:50 PM

I did receive a note from Kenneth thanking me for my contribution towards their outstanding bills. I have to make the assumptions others did as well. The fact he didn't do it publically doesn't bother me - nor would I have wanted a list with me on it.

When I donate to causes locally it is always as an anonymous donor.

moopups · #**226** 09/16/06, 05:52 PM

Cabin Fever, declaring this a scam is premature, all the facts are not in yet. Equal justice for all as I don my red 'S'ed' jammies and prepare to leap tall buildings...

mightybooboo · #**227** 09/16/06, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Scharabok

I did receive a note from Kenneth thanking me for my contribution towards their outstanding bills. I have to make the assumptions others did as well. The fact he didn't do it publically doesn't bother me - nor would I have wanted a list with me on it.

When I donate to causes locally it is always as an anonymous donor.

I did too recieve a card.Im very disturbed by the turn of events.

Im with you,anonymous is best,my next contribution in fact was going to be anonymous.

BooBoo

**ladycat** · #**228** 09/16/06, 05:59 PM

Wow, busy thread

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**ladycat** · #**229** 09/16/06, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lgslgs

You know - Ken and family are either struggling financially or struggling morally. I personaly believe that the struggle is financial, but they are the only folks who really know.

Regardless of whether their struggle is financial or moral, hurtful words are still words that hurt.

If you give a man $1 and he uses it wisely, you should rejoice. But if he uses it unwisely, does that mean you hold the right to pass judgement on him and his family?

In our family - we're not comfortable doing that. We also don't pass judgement on those who feel the need to speak out if they feel that this thread might be dishonest or misleading - so please don't feel that this is personally directed at anyone.

Ken - I hope you can get things sorted out in a way that works for your family. Tough times are frightening. I hope you are finding some good ways to use your time, energy, and funds wisely. And if by chance you have been a bit short on wisdom anywhere along the line, start doing better.

Lynda

Good post!

boxwoods · #**230** 09/16/06, 06:11 PM

My thoughts: If there is no impropriety, How are you guys going to take back the words. Let a mod check the ip's, first of all to see if they are the same, and then check back to threads that might have been deceitful. Too many people are taking things for granted without proof.

Boleyz · #**231** 09/16/06, 06:12 PM

Whatever else has happened, It's refreshing to see MODS Vs. MODS...

Kenneth and Stella have definitely broken new ground...

The posting about the microwave stuff was INTENDED TO DECEIVE FOR FINANCIAL GAIN

Ken, Perhaps you and Moonpups might explain how intentional deception in order to make a sale is NOT a "Scam"...

You might ALSO explain how many "Chances" a scammer can have and still remain in good standing as an HT Member(even if this incidence is not a "scam" in the truest sense, except for the "Ghost Wife").

That would be good to know, because I might try a few up to whatever the limit is...NOT...

Finally, if it's not the job of Mods and Administrators to make "Judgements" and protect the integrity of this "Family Friendly" forum, what, pray tell is their role?

I've been kicked out of threads just for making someone cuss...I didn't agree with that decision, but I figured, Hey, the Mod is just doing his job and keeping things "nice".

Looks to me like it's time to "Step Up" to the plate Mods...Do your duty...protect the integrity of the forum...JMO.

I hope I don't get banned now, but I felt the need to ask for consistency...

BTW...I HAVE been "nice" to Ken...see my earlier post listing homeless shelters...

BellsBunnies · #**232** 09/16/06, 06:17 PM

08-10-2006, 05:59 PM Posted by Kenneth
Here’s the plan. We cut all nonessentials. Internet and phone paid to August 31. Then it’s off. We’ve started packing clothes, stuff in boxes, bags and what plastic totes we have. My medications exceed $1300 monthly looks like that just became a nonessential. I’ve already sacrificed my gun collection including the ones left by my dad.
Star posted on 04-18-2006, 03:20 PM
I had several temp 3 day jobs. Just enough to upset the apple cart. DH medicine now costs over $1200 month. If not for medicaid he'd have to do without. Don't think he would survive with out his meds. I hate having to rely on medicaid cause they threaten to cut him off almost every other month.

This is one of the things I would like to see explained - everyone was worried about him not having his meds -( I think thats what lead to the donations being sent) but according to his wife he already had medicaid. Ok I am finished.

Ken Scharabok · #**233** 09/16/06, 06:21 PM

"Ken, Perhaps you and Moonpups might explain how intentional deception in order to make a sale is NOT a "Scam"..."

I did say I was bothered by it. Did it rise to the level of an outright 'scam' in my opinion, no! IMHO, of course. I caulk it up it up to more of a 'hee, hee, hee' thing.

For the record, I've done some pretty stupid things myself - particularly before going - more or less - on the wagon. Really, I know that is hard to believe, but...

SpringCrkAromas · #**234** 09/16/06, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farmer Joe

Wow.

Wow is right.
Situations like this is why I always live by the philosophies of "can't never could do nothin', when you hit rock bottom, start climbing, don't wait for a rope to drop, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and ALWAYS have a plan B."
And before the comments of "you don't know what it's like" start, Oh Yes I Do!
I feel for ya Kenneth, looks like it's time to climb. Good luck.
Jill

MWG · #**235** 09/16/06, 06:29 PM

Since we are all asking questions...

At what point do we Draw The Line?

If the wife was disowned at 15, why would you guys be attending your wife's family reunion?

Boleyz,

Maybe I am about to get banned? But if I do, at least everything I have said it truthful. Is it that easy to get banned on this site? Either way, I am dissappointed that this whole situation has turned out the way it has, both for their family and the next one that is really needy because we will all pause and question before we help them.

The real victum in this whole situation is the daughter. If she is home schooled (was able to check this out and it appears she is), then they are her role models. We can argue whether or not this was fraud, but we can agree that it was deceitful.

doohap · #**236** 09/16/06, 06:30 PM

I couldn't finish reading the last few postings in this thread ... I'm so sorry that it's turning out seemingly badly. I must confess I asked for his address, but after receiving it "felt" funny about it. After all, I do believe in feeding the hungry, but really can't afford to be duped.

Kenneth in NC ... prayers for you ...

doohap

Boleyz · #**237** 09/16/06, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Scharabok

"Ken, Perhaps you and Moonpups might explain how intentional deception in order to make a sale is NOT a "Scam"..."

I did say I was bothered by it. Did it rise to the level of an outright 'scam' in my opinion, no! IMHO, of course. I caulk it up it up to more of a 'hee, hee, hee' thing.

Pretty weak Ken...IMO...

If I was selling you a car and had a "stranger" who was really my wife, talking up to you about what a great car it was because she had owned it and driven it and loved it, thereby causing you to pay top-dollar for it...

Would THAT be a "hee hee hee thing"?...I doubt it...Probably be legally liable for fraud.

(I'm can't believe I'm debating a Mod...I hope he doesn't think I'm a "Trouble-maker"...I'm just debating a point...)

cheapskate · #**238** 09/16/06, 06:35 PM

I am still glad I helped. I pray that this situation is resolved soon,for everyone involved. This world has enough bigger problems to worry over than this. I certainly wish nothing but the best for Kenneth and his family.

MWG · #**239** 09/16/06, 06:36 PM

I think this one would be covered under 3b or 1 might also work.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fraud

fraud (frôd)
n.
1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
2. A piece of trickery; a trick.
3.
a. One that defrauds; a cheat.
b. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor

Ken Scharabok · #**240** 09/16/06, 06:37 PM

Bolezy:

You conveniently didn't include the rest of my posting.

Ken Scharabok

(And why am I just about the only one on HT not afraid to post my real name as my id?)