Update: on the SHTF for us

I don't usually post, but let my wife, Country Lady, do the posting. She has been keeping me up to date on this thread and I have a few questions I would like answered.
1. Has anyone ever met Kenneth, Star and their daughter? I know some have stated they have met Kenneth, but never read anything about meeting the others.
2. Has anyone met the other HT members that state they know Kenneth and will vouch for him?
3. Does anyone know for sure that Kenneth has all these patents he claims? If he does have them, where is the royalty?
Questions for Kenneth:
What stage of CHF are you in?
What medications are you taking?
Do you get a weekly IV?
What is the name of the IV?
How many pillows do you use at night?
Why do you find something wrong with every suggestion made to help you except for donations?

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If they're married, that's extremely weird.

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Check out the original SHTF thread.

Here is a post from "Star"

http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/sho...9&page=6&pp=30

Yes I guess she does "know the address" since she lives there with him.......!!!

I like that "How many pillows do you use at night?" as an indicator of severity.

My husband has CHF, diabetis and a couple/few others. He doesn't use ANY pillows at night. Good shape, huh?

He just sleeps in a recliner (NOT reclined) every night for the last 2 years because he can't breathe when he reclines AT ALL. Makes it troublesome when he goes to the dentist because they can't tilt him back to work on his teeth.

Mon

Kenneth and (or) Star, it's time to "fess up". You've been caught! Now I know why Star's family disowned her at 15 (if there is a Star).

Wow. Looks like we don't need to teach them to fish... they have been doing it for years.

I need to raise Big Money in a short period of time. How to do it?

Oh and this one is good! A whole thread that they talked to themself.

Loosing storage building need to sell..help.



Kenneth and Star,

My I be the first to suggest that you start mailing checks out to those that you defrauded. I would have to do some more digging, but there may be some legal issues here... I guess the #$%$# really has hit the fan!

This is getting weirder and weirder.

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Sorry if I'm out of place posting to this thread. I love this forum and would hate to see my account banned over this post, but I feel in my heart that it is something that must be asked. I know I haven't posted on here before, but have been lurking on this site for several (at least four) years now. I have been following this thread and honestly felt for Ken in NC as my husband and I were in struggle to not lose our house due to finances a few years ago ourselves. I don't honestly know Kenneth's situation, he might truthfully be losing his house and in financial debt. I however, do NOT like to see people being used, and I can not help but feel that is exactly what has happened here to the good hearted people of this forum, who generously opened their hearts and pocket books to a "neighbor" in need.

Something has been seriously bothering me regarding this matter however, and I have seen a common trend happening. It seems there have been many offers (how many received I'm unsure) of everything from a house, to trailers,to gift cards, to food cards, to cash. It was said by Ken that he received "nothing" up to a few weeks ago.

Yet this question was asked, in this same forum by a member on 9/12/06.

And Ken replied:

I'm confused by conflicting stories, Star mailed $5, but she's the wife, who lives in the same house with, under the same financial situations/struggles. *boggles*.

Yes I am very confused by this, and it isn't sitting well thinking those that I enjoy reading about their day with, over a cup of coffee at the computer, might have just been played. I'm sorry but I couldn't sit quiet, I had to finally say something.

They tried this on another message board - I think it was the same, exact SHTF post.
They were BANNED before anyone was defrauded.

Yes, I would think those that they have defrauded would have legal recourse. I'm thinking that since the money has crossed state lines, it would be a federal law enforcement issue? Hmmmm, maybe Ken and Star won't have to worry about where they're going to be living soon...

That 2nd thread is a good one - wonder If they have 2 computers or swap places to answer back each other? And IMHO that thread in itself is fraud - him wanting to sell something to the rest of us and her telling how wonderful it is - And since her family disowned her it sure is nice she got them a present - maybe now that she is in need they can help her out a little?

I don't know either of them and do not wish anything bad upon anyone but their is alot of questions that need to be answered but will probably never be - I really hope this can be and is explained.

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Well, I learned a good lesson today...did I send money? yep
did I care about them? yep
will I think twice next time? yep
it's too bad

Paula

Can we relax a bit.

QBVII Kenneth did post over on another forum, and I stood up for them here on the first thread by saying they had had other hard times. This was before it was figured out that Star was Stella.

I have wished them well, and still wish them every best wish to get out of the mess they are in.

I am extremely dissappointed to find out that Star in N.C. and Stella acted as a stranger in this and past threads to appear a stranger to forward whatever Kenneth was selling, or help needing etc. I've had probably at least 100 pm's over the life of this thread about helping them, or from them, and I was the one that called them cause I believed. There have been other people that might have been able to help them and did inquire, but it did not work out.

I think this group of Homesteading people are overall some of the greatest on the Internet. the couple I've met in person and the ones I've talked to via phone and on other boards maintain the personalities I've seen here.

And to Kenneth and Stella - I'm really disappointed that you missed the opportunities for Stella to put her real ideas in and say thanks to others when they helped and for the two of you to be a united front in this problem, not Star in N.C. encouraging others for Kenneth when it was for herself. That appears to me fraud.

Also, to talk of "sanctimonious attitudes" is probably the final nail in the coffin of good public opinion. I was sincerely hoping you would answer Ken S. inquiry in a reasonable and explanatory manner. Your anger does not speak well for character.

I've pulled back from this thread today to see what you would post, and to say it's a disappointment is an understatement.

While I wish you well, I will not speak up for you again.
Take care of your daughter she's an innocent in all this.

Angie

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Moderators , after doing more reading on this thread, I sincerely think it is time to revolk Kenneth, Star and Stella's fishing license.

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You know - Ken and family are either struggling financially or struggling morally. I personaly believe that the struggle is financial, but they are the only folks who really know.

Regardless of whether their struggle is financial or moral, hurtful words are still words that hurt.

If you give a man $1 and he uses it wisely, you should rejoice. But if he uses it unwisely, does that mean you hold the right to pass judgement on him and his family?

In our family - we're not comfortable doing that. We also don't pass judgement on those who feel the need to speak out if they feel that this thread might be dishonest or misleading - so please don't feel that this is personally directed at anyone.

Ken - I hope you can get things sorted out in a way that works for your family. Tough times are frightening. I hope you are finding some good ways to use your time, energy, and funds wisely. And if by chance you have been a bit short on wisdom anywhere along the line, start doing better.

Lynda

Well said Angie

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The Inquisition was already done in 1478 in Spain, its not needed here and now. If the static does not back off soon admin will step in and remove all threads (in my opinion).

Ken, I can understand a private joke or familiarity between you and your wife but you let it escape into the public seen area. I did the same with my second wife, but always in private. At this time I highly suggest you PM those whom offered help (mobil units) and take whatever you can get, if such is still available.

Readers, we (Mods and Admin) have been researching this for 4 days and don't think much is unknown. The inconsistencies were reported by a lot of posters. We have even been in public records.

For the record here, I have CHF type 4, diabetes type 2, Ostyo Myelitis, Degenerative Arthritis in my joints, Aspergers Disorder, and other things not normal. Yet I was feeding horses and mucking stalls until a few days back.

It is a publicly known fact that Fla Gal and I share the same roof, we have separate puters, separate accounts, separate realities, that portion works well. There is no deception available here.

Most probably there was no deception intended, just a silly familiarity game that escaped control, but in the future such should not be visible to the outside world.

General Posters, its time to back off, we (as above) are in these chairs, this is our job - you are not judge or jury.

Edited to add; While the above could explain the 'ghost' wife it does not yet explore the second side of the issue, facts are still being gained.

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1. I have met Kenneth, wife and daughter on two occasions. Last year they stopped by the farm to say hello while looking at a property in the general area. The other was this past spring when I went to their place to purchase their remaining stock of the microwave cookware*. Am I considered a reliable source of confirmation?

*Details of transaction are between Kenneth and me so don't ask.

2. They are in legitimate financial do-do. If his wife can continue to work, and GT cuts them a bit more slack, they might be able to keep the mobile. By now she should have a paycheck to perhaps put some towards the payment on the 20th. Again, assuming she continues working, between them and GT there. (And if someone whats to be generous making the payment on the 20th buys them time to the 29th.)

3. There was no particular fraud involved. Kenneth did not request money. He asked for advice. He stated their situation and others jumped in to voluteer to facilitate getting donations to them. I truely believe the initial batch of donations was used as stated by them. If some did go to medications, groceries or such, doesn't particularly bother me - and I did contribute. I do not believe, in any way, any fraud was intended - intentionally or otherwise if that makes sense. IMHO, they do not owe the donations back to anyone and, in fact, one put them in an even deeper financial hole.

4. I know of only one patent which he owns (owned as it may have lapsed), and that was for the microwave steamer cookware. The others were ones he helped others on, such as giving them the concept and they obtained the patent and did the marketing. (For what it is worth, Kenneth is an extremely brilliant individual on things like this. He would have blossomed in a pure R&D center even without an engineer degree.)

5. There are no royalities from the cookware. It sold well (and pricey) for a brief time. Then was largely overcome by advancements in microwave cooking in general. I believe he did receive some monies as the result of the dissolution of the partnership to market it, but that was some ten years ago and wasn't all that much.

6. I accept the $5 posting as essentally a joke as Kenneth explained it. I, like others, do have concerns about the banter back and forth on the cookware. (Oh, what a tangled web we weave...)

Lightened up on Kenneth folks.

Its been said,and its been done.

Now we can sit back and actually see how it plays out,and then we will know what was or wasnt true,at least to a point.

I dont regret my 2 cents sent,was my choice.It wont make me,it wont break me,and I chose to do so.And I still hope it helped.

As for due diligence,it was done.AND it continued to be done.More came forward at a later date as we have seen.I work with facts,not allegations,so I was happy with what we had as Facts. I spent a lot of time checking FACTS,found NOTHING that wasnt aboveboard,but Star in NC slipped under the radar,as it did for ALL of us.

And Im happy with what we have now for making further decisions.

Im sorry for Ken that it has come out this way as they may indeed be in need,but credibility has been brought into question with posts that harm it(From Them).Credibility is paramount,and that credibility has been harmed(by their posts) and cant be fixed now in MY eyes.Looks like 'gaming' the system to me,so I have to accept it as same.Its what we have staring us in face,and I believe my lyin' eyes when I see things.

From what Ive seen posted,and PM'd,I think this situation is now settled to my satisfaction.

Its over.And Im sorry I feel that way.

BooBoo

Friends, I had considered closing this thread. However, those of us who have been taken in by this alleged scam need a place to air our grievances. So, I will be leaving this thread open for now. Of course, Chuck or MeanDean may have a different idea and close it.

As far as taking away posting privileges from the threesome (or is it a twosome or possibly a single person?), I cannot do that....only Chuck or MD can do that. It would be my suggestion to allow Kenneth and/or Star and/or Stella an opportunity to further explain what has happened.

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