Need Hepatitus C natural remedies....

What??

Your govt. has allowed you complete and unfettered access to these remedies through DSHEA....and are spending millions of dollars to research them....whatever are you talking about?

Marilyn and Teri (and all the others) thank you so much! We have a wealth of info and are sifting through it now and will welcome any other in on natural treatments....

There was an older man who was known as the herbal man in these parts of north Alabama for many years. I have the book about him ( by one of his dearest friends and "students") and he always said that there wasn't a disease on earth that one of God's plants could help people with....he said that was why God placed them here and we just had to study and use them correctly.

How many plant species have gone extinct? Maybe some of those were the important ones......food for thought on conservation and population growth issues.

The plant realm is a wonderful generator of chemical products...good and bad....it doesn't mean that everything works as it is claimed to work....which is why you need to study it to see if the claims stand up to scrutiny.

BamaSuzy, truer words were never spoken! That is why the plants are here, for food and medicine. It's our job, to use them wisely.

You and your daughter are in my daily prayers.


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Bob, consider that you actually turn people away from medical establishment benefits and knowledge by your tone and dismissiveness.

Your description of holding a friend's hand while he died, recurring infrections, and the link you provided to the National Aids Treatment Advocacy Project led me to believe that you had had experience with HCV in AIDS patients. I think you're your own worst enemy when you overreact: "Do you think every individual who dies of endstage liver disease as a result of HCV also has AIDS?"

Bob, I'll make this throwaway comment. In my experience (and everybody else's?). Pharmacologists are adept at working with single entity, preferably synthetic compounds. The ones that are the model and gold standard beloved by the FDA and pharmaceutical companies. But add any synergism of multiple, naturally-occurring compound with unknown matrices and unknown mechanisms of action and you quickly get beyond their capactity or desire to work with them. Which leaves you with the expensive and uneven clinical studies. Or anecdotal data.

Here's a bit of perspective from this side of the monitor......instead of asking why an individual might contract mutiple infections...or looking it up for yourself....you make ignorant speculation....why should I consider that as being acceptable from someone, such as yourself, who should know better? The comments denigrate the suffering all of those in endstage liver disease....and its all from ignorance.....from my persepctive...if you were interested in knowing why you would have asked...instead you choose the path you did........

Jules Levin has a fantastic site dedicated to the collection and archiving of all of the past and current research going into AIDS, hepatitis C, hepatitis B, and combination infections.......its a marvelous site coming from a very dedicated man........you looked at the title without considering content and decided to jump to conclusions and make speculative remarks about a very dear and dead friend of mine....why should I accept that as being nice or proper in any way shape or form? FYI I do know some coinfected people so yes, I am familiar with the problems of coinfection at a personal level....but that's an aside....

The comment was meant to point out how ignorant your speculative comments appear....here is a brief etiology of dying from endstage liver disease.....as the architecture of the liver is destroyed by scar tissue portal hypertension develops.....if you remember any of your physiology you realize that all of the returning blood returing from systemic circulation needs to pass through the liver....when it can't it backs up and the capillary beds in the abdomen are subjected to severe leaking....this causes the endstage patient to begin to swelll....so large their navel protrudes to the size of a softball.....all of this fluid requires draining of quarts and quarts of fluid.....this fluid is a very rich and nurturing environment for bacteria....and guess what they innoculate this environment and grow....the endstage patient isn't in the best of health...from many aspects.....and cannot fight the infection(s) which happen again ...and again...and again.......this is just the formation of acites lecture there are other consequences to having portal hypertension.....all of this information was readily available either through your own researching or simply asking........if you can honestly answer the question 'no' why in the world would you ever make the comments you decided to post?

I would say that for any of the biological sciences a difficulty in handling more than one variable exists..........synergism is an oft thrown about term but one which is difficult to document........its not as common as everyone is led to believe......is this your way of answering the question about the quality of the milk thistle study?

Bob, you sound eerily like my cousin, who works for Merck.
Any distinguished members of PHRMA help pay for your schooling?
I'm just curious since you sound so much like him...

hhhh another feeble attempt at an ad hominem attack...one which is repeated so often its laughable........your cousin is probably a smart man...pay attention to him you might learn something.....

My sincere sympathy for your MIL.

I am also taking meds that could have severe (very dangerous) side effects. I am doing it deliberately, because if I do not there is a huge risk of being in a wheelchair in a couple of years, not to mention the risk of an early death.

My illness (multiple sclerosis) would appear to be much more dangerous than the (admittedly) dangerous meds. Yeah, it is a risk, taking meds that I KNOW can kill me, but it is a calculated one.

You are correct, though you DO have to take part in your treatments. Taking a risky med is fine if you think the alternatives are worse. You see, herbal remedies do not necessarily cut it. Mainstream meds may not work ALL of the time, but in my experience herbal meds only help SOME of the time. So I hit the doctors FIRST! Simply because they have been more helpfull. Oh, I try the herbals, yes I do. But conventional meds work better, and as I said my MS was more of a threat than the meds.

At any rate, I have been trying both.

Conventional meds HAVE been helpfull. Of the herbal meds and supplements, ONLY ONE item (L-carnitine) out of a dozen items have been helpfull, and that has not been as helpfull as the conventional meds.

Right now, I am trying glucosamine, which some MS sufferers say has helped. Next thing to try will be L-lysine, I think, because my family appears to often be low on it. It is not one of the MS supplements, but I have already tried most of them (without effect) so I am branching out.

So, it will be beta-serone, L-carnitine, and L-lysine for a bit, unless the glucosamine helps (and so far it is not).

Oh, he is a smart man--smart enough to also notice that you didn't answer...

I think soliciting personal information is against forum rules...but I'll tell you what if you agree to answer any personal question I ask you I'll answer your question....sound fair enough?

For your efforts I will provide you with grant numbers, principle investigator names and contact info, as well as my full name and contact info at work....you of course will need to provide the same information in kind....that way we can each check out the others information and satisfy ourselves to each others honesty........I feel this is necessary because my funding information has nothing to do with HCV or the treatments for said disease......ball is in your court now....

Oh, I've got enough information now to satisfy my contextual quotient.

And by the way, if you feel you need my professional credentials and personal contact information to justify my comments on canning pickles, killing chickens, sewing diapers or choosing the best brand of organic cotton tampons, PM me.

Apples and oranges, son.

you want to pry into my personal financial information to, in your eyes, try to discredit me....I'll provide the requested information (you'll be disappointed) but I want the same frm you...it only seemed fair to me.....if your not willing to divulge your private info why should I be willing to answer your questions while getting nothing in return....my funding has nothing to do with the arguments/discussion at hand....I don't know why you think it does....that is apples and oranges....now if you have anything to add about the treatment of hepatitis C let's see it.....

I figure this forum is not the place to discuss herbal remedies or anything else that Big BobK doesn't feel that we should be allowed to discuss. So I will go back to the Wise Woman Forum - where they would laugh him out of there with his so called knowledge.

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That'sjsut so silly...everyone has been invited to bring whatever information they have to the table....appears not many have very much information on treating this disease....which does not surprise me given the general public ignorance on the topic....

Bob, my comments were not denigrating and I think you are too emotional on the subject to be objective and understand mine.

That would be your opinion....you even had him failing treatment...something I never mentioned or indicated he even had...let alone saying his treatment was compromised by having AIDS...so yeah I think you were a bit presumptious and denigrating on his passing and what complications he did or did not suffer......and I'm sure you didn't look at Jules Levin site with a close eye to see the wealth of information he has compiled on the subject of hepatitis C...

I would say that biologists, especially those whose interests span several levels of organization (esp. ecologists), by the nature of their subject matter are more familiar with preceiving and addressing very different variables than are others. In my experience pharmacologists aren't bad - they just aren't very good at speculating outside of their box. They are far better than chemists.

In answer to your question: no, but I think you were being rhetorical again.