Would you be interested in a natural cure forum?

Kenneth in NC · #81 07/29/06, 10:28 AM

How about "HERBAL LEGENDS" And other things that might work"

I vote YES

Kenneth

primal1 · #82 07/29/06, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BobK

One hting the article lacks is perspective....for instance what percentage of the treated population does this represent? On the other hand something that is not mentioned in the article is what consitutes a medical error...if you dig a bit deeper you will find that a heart attack or stroke patient brought into the emergency room for treatment if/when they die it is attributed as a medical error......they were unable to preserve life but get dinged because they were treated in the hospital.....if a drug is supposed to be given to a patient at a specific time and that is found to deviate....again it counts as a medical error.....for an antibiotic that may be important but for a thyroid medication it won't have any impact...both are medical errors under the classification scheme presented.

As far as it being kept from the public...BS....there are numerous published articles on the topic easily accessed via libraries or the internet ......here is one such article easily accessable to the public.....

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi...f.w4.534v1.pdf

and hospitals have morbidity and mortality meetings each month to review each case and to try and improve their track record......despite what you may wish to believe doctors and hospitals don't really enjoy harming any patient....I think once you look at the overall number of treated pateints....in and out of the hospital you'll find the percentages of harm to be quite low....and successes quite high.....

Does the natural remedy world have a subsittute for the neonatal ICU or ICU unit in general? Where and with what would you wish your loved one being treated in such instances....the ICU ward or with a home remedy?

I didn't doubt you would come up with something to lessen the impact of the study... The study that did prompt changes.

Where did the ICU comment come from?? I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make. Hospitals wouldn't exist if this was a natural remedy world or technology wouldn't be used???
Sounds to me like you actually think science isn't involved at all with natural meds.

Shygal · #83 07/29/06, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BobK

LOL...you should feel REALLY stupid....especially since I work for no drug company....I work with fish! Sturgeon to be more exact....LOL.....sometimes people amaze me with their deductive abilities...othertimes all my expectations are met....like now ...LOL!!

FYI I focused on you because of your claims of knowledge and expertise as well as your incorrect assessment of what cures Ricketts....

Bob, you alone are the reason there is no health forum and that this forum will never get started.

You ALWAYS have to do this ,whenever someone mentions a natural remedy, etc. WITHOUT FAIL.

Cant you just...not open those threads? What is your complete need to do this to every single natural remedy thread there is?

BobK · #84 07/29/06, 01:14 PM

What is the problem with asking questions?

Marilyn in CO · #85 07/29/06, 01:24 PM

Ditto, Shygal, whenever a thread of this nature appears, you can be absolutely, positively sure that he will show up. Got to love you, BobK, you do make me smile, you are working so hard to discredit anything but your way of thinking. Can you believe that people do actually have a brain and are smart enough to figure out the truth from the false? I have faith that folks want to know the truth about health issues, in the realm of natural/complimentary/alternative therapies and that they actually have the capacity to discern the phoney from the truth.......yes, even without your help.

Have a healthy, blessed day.

primal1 · #86 07/29/06, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shygal

Bob, you alone are the reason there is no health forum and that this forum will never get started.

You ALWAYS have to do this ,whenever someone mentions a natural remedy, etc. WITHOUT FAIL.

Cant you just...not open those threads? What is your complete need to do this to every single natural remedy thread there is?

Good lord, don't tell me bobk's views and opinions have such an impact on this forum!
He is not only out numbered but he has nothing to offer this thread in terms of what we are looking for... Education on natural remedies, the stuff that has been handed down through families and openly shared for CENTURIES!.
He's not even a bloopy doctor or Pharma rep.(or so he says:P)

Now take one of the grand daddy's of modern natural remedies, most of us here may not even know him or his contributions but his work continues today. Quite a character!
http://uk.avogel-server.org/avogel-world-new/index.php

Another Company that has set standards worldwide is http://www.heel.ca/index.jsp
For those who are interested.

moopups · #87 07/29/06, 02:05 PM

For those not aware there are 3 herbal orientated sites located in our links library. Medical applications are mentioned quite numerously. The links library is located very near the bottom of the forum listings. There are presently 178 view placed on record, it will be interesting to see how much interest will generate more views.

Spinner · #88 07/29/06, 04:43 PM

Thank you moopups for that info.

Its a shame we can't discuss this topic here without being flamed for our thoughts. I just found a cool link in my user CP. It's called "buddy/ignore list". I wish I'd have found it sooner, would have saved me some headaches earlier.

mtnbluet881 · #89 08/03/06, 12:54 PM

With so many people voting---Yes

and with an appropriately worded disclaimer on the subform site

Why can't we have a herbal remedy subforum?

katlupe · #90 08/03/06, 06:34 PM

I vote yes too. Herbal Medicine is the only medicine I use. I will be using my Ignore button also.

katlupe

moopups · #91 08/03/06, 08:19 PM

It is a liability issue, this group of boards could be held liable in the event someone post incorrect info, another followed the bad advice and it lead to a life lost or similar. If there are licensed, practicing medical doctors available to do the monitoring the idea would gain more support. But the presence of a doctor is still not any guarantee that such will ever exist here.

This concept has been hashed and rehashed in the mods & admins private area, there are no plans to proceed at this time. Its not that we are uncaring, its that the risks are too great.

I suggested this same idea about 6 to 8 months back and it got turned down back then, the herb links in the links library is about as far as such is going to go. Its not my decision, save the flaming for something really important.

Arkie1 · #92 08/03/06, 08:28 PM

As a general question and my question is not aimed specifically at the quoted poster , but couldn't the same thing happen with any of the animal & homesteading forums; a lot of drug suggestions and even dosages are posted on an almost daily basis. What if someones prize Grand Champion dog or horse is killed by following that advice?

What about some of the alternative building suggestions? What if they are inaccurate and/or unsafe and someone ends up getting seriously injured by following them off the HT site?
Who would be liable if the construction methods were posted here and followed to the letter and someone got killed?

I'm not arguing, really I'm not; I knew there were no plans for a natural health forum but your comments made me wonder about a lot of other information that's freely posted that could have serious & even deadly consequences.

In todays sue happy world, these all are considerations & now you've piqued my curiosity as to who would be liable.

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Originally Posted by moopups

It is a liability issue, this group of boards could be held liable in the event someone post incorrect info, another followed the bad advice and it lead to a life lost or similar. If there are licensed, practicing medical doctors available to do the monitoring the idea would gain more support. But the presence of a doctor is still not any guarantee that such will ever exist here.

This concept has been hashed and rehashed in the mods & admins private area, there are no plans to proceed at this time. Its not that we are uncaring, its that the risks are too great.

I suggested this same idea about 6 to 8 months back and it got turned down back then, the herb links in the links library is about as far as such is going to go. Its not my decision, save the flaming for something really important.

primal1 · #93 08/03/06, 08:35 PM

It seems that as long as nobody prescribes a treatment it 'should' be just fine... but i guess there are still too many legalities involved.

http://www.cancer-success.com/disclaimer.htm

The writer of these articles is not a trained medical professional and is not allowed to prescribe any treatment. He is a reporter only. He has researched, accumulated, and organized the information in a fashion that presents to the reader sufficient information to understand what a large segment of alternative medicine teaches and practices. It is perfectly legal for an individual to use alternative methods.

This information is presented with the intention of providing sufficient information to the reader to understand their many options and be able to make intelligent and effective choices. The comments made are integrated from many published sources. Some of the sources will be referenced. All responsibility for the outcome from following any of these suggestions rests with user. This statement is necessary because there is no recognized legal entity extant for the support of these highly effective methods.

naturelover · #94 08/03/06, 09:21 PM

Count me in for a big YES too! As an holistic alternative health practitioner I feel I could contribute to a natural cures health forum like that.

Keep in mind that if it's not possible to have a natural cures forum here on HT - there is no reason that you couldn't have an ongoing Natural Cures TOPIC. Other public forums do it. It kind of looks to me like this topic is already off to a good start in that direction.

culpeper · #95 08/03/06, 10:55 PM

What a lot of old crock is going on here! If there was a disclaimer, the administrators would be covered for any mishaps, allergic reactions, deaths or misuse by stupid people of any of the remedies and suggestions offered. It's that simple.

There are plenty of herb/folklore/alternative medicine discussion forums out there in WWW-land. To my knowledge nobody has yet been sued for sharing knowledge or beliefs in any of those forums.

Refusing such a forum doesn't make sense to me, when there is plenty of opportunity to discuss other supposedly taboo topics like sex, politics, legal issues and religion! These are discussion forums - nobody is charging fees for the information requested, no professional ethics are being compromised, nobody's doing anything illegal or immoral.

For those who are upset by this post (or any others), here's some advice, free of charge, from a professional. Take 10 deep breaths, breathing in through the nose, and slowly out through the mouth with lips pursed. Try to use the abdominal muscles throughout. It's very calming.

TNnative · #96 08/03/06, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by culpeper

Actually, what I'd prefer is a sub-forum devoted to herbs - growing them, cooking with them, medicinal uses etc. That would cover the remedies thing, and broaden the 'audience' somewhat.

I would be interested in this also.

mtnbluet881 · #97 08/03/06, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by culpeper

What a lot of old crock is going on here! If there was a disclaimer, the administrators would be covered for any mishaps, allergic reactions, deaths or misuse by stupid people of any of the remedies and suggestions offered. It's that simple.

There are plenty of herb/folklore/alternative medicine discussion forums out there in WWW-land. To my knowledge nobody has yet been sued for sharing knowledge or beliefs in any of those forums.

Refusing such a forum doesn't make sense to me, when there is plenty of opportunity to discuss other supposedly taboo topics like sex, politics, legal issues and religion! These are discussion forums - nobody is charging fees for the information requested, no professional ethics are being compromised, nobody's doing anything illegal or immoral.

For those who are upset by this post (or any others), here's some advice, free of charge, from a professional. Take 10 deep breaths, breathing in through the nose, and slowly out through the mouth with lips pursed. Try to use the abdominal muscles throughout. It's very calming.

Actually-- isn't it breathe in with the nose, hold for 10, and exhale through the mouth slowly on the count of 20

Also, researching a home/herbal remedy suggestion on the internet can bring up some interesting information and usually you find out the warnings that way as well.

katlupe · #98 08/04/06, 04:42 PM

I do belong to a forum already on this topic. It is Susun Weed's Wise Woman Forum . It is full of very good advice on herbal medicines, though I am sorry to say, that it is geared to women. Susun Weed has written some excellent books on Menopause and other subjects. She even has classes at her home in Woodstock, NY.

katlupe

caballoviejo · #99 08/04/06, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BobK

as you can see some folks don't take to kindly to having their errors pointed out.....and correcting a error (if its caught) is a bit late if someone takes the erronious info and starts to use it or never sees the correction......in some cases this may cause someone harm....

Checked out the incidence of prescription errors in hospitals lately?

Something may always cause harm.

There is also harm in overzealous control of people's decisions or people's publica statements.

caballoviejo · #**100** 08/04/06, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Shygal

I have to agree with BobK...much as it pains me to.

Suppose someone posted things that were dangerous, just as a "laugh"?

I would NOT mind a forum for homemade things like cleaners and soaps and stuff, sorta like a Homesteading Heloise's Hints thing , but I think medical/cure etc type stuff is just too much potential for problems.

Now Shygal, we know your perdilection for controls and controls!