Would you be interested in a natural cure forum?

[DenverGirlie]

I'll chime in with a "yes please"

[Shygal]

I have to agree with BobK...much as it pains me to.

Suppose someone posted things that were dangerous, just as a "laugh"?

I would NOT mind a forum for homemade things like cleaners and soaps and stuff, sorta like a Homesteading Heloise's Hints thing , but I think medical/cure etc type stuff is just too much potential for problems.

[primal1]

Originally Posted by Lannie

You're right BobK, I made a mistake, which I probably would have caught and corrected later (I'm not afraid to say I made a mistake), but since no one will believe anything I say from now on, I'm bowing out of this one. There are other forums that are more tolerant than this one. Carry on without me.

~Lannie

A mistake is very different than BS to some people, so just for future reference i'd still like to hear what you have to say.

[froggirl]

Originally Posted by BobK

as you can see some folks don't take to kindly to having their errors pointed out.....and correcting a error (if its caught) is a bit late if someone takes the erronious info and starts to use it or never sees the correction......in some cases this may cause someone harm....

Hi Bob,
Everyone makes mistakes. If a forum like the one suggested above should happen, I think it would be a good idea to have a rule about "tone". It's all in the way you point out an error. Maybe instead of saying "they have no idea what they are talking about"...you could say: "actually Ricketts is caused by a deficiency of Vit. D" and leave it at that. I do understand your concern about folks spreading a lot of BS, though...especially since there's a lot to spread out there. JMHO.
--f.g.

[BobK]

Originally Posted by Shygal

I have to agree with BobK...much as it pains me to.

Suppose someone posted things that were dangerous, just as a "laugh"?

I would NOT mind a forum for homemade things like cleaners and soaps and stuff, sorta like a Homesteading Heloise's Hints thing , but I think medical/cure etc type stuff is just too much potential for problems.

...it couldn't have hurt that much now could it?

Dangerous things do not have to be posted for a laugh...it might easily be a result of buying into some pseudoscience babble that someone has been indoctrinated with....most likely from the internet.......and problems always arise when someone asks for any type of evidence, proof of concept, or mechanism of action....folks mistake stories for data and think they are interchangable....

[BobK]

Originally Posted by froggirl

Hi Bob,
Everyone makes mistakes. If a forum like the one suggested above should happen, I think it would be a good idea to have a rule about "tone". It's all in the way you point out an error. Maybe instead of saying "they have no idea what they are talking about"...you could say: "actually Ricketts is caused by a deficiency of Vit. D" and leave it at that. I do understand your concern about folks spreading a lot of BS, though...especially since there's a lot to spread out there. JMHO.
--f.g.

Since the discussion was about the concept of such a forum I thought it appropriate to point out where problems begin with an example of one such item......if a forum were started I would certainly hold the feet of people making claims about disease cures or treatments to the fire.....as should everyone......and if you read post #17 you can see that an individual already set up an argument from authority or great knowledge....and later can't get a simple thing like what causes Ricketts correct......I say if your into that kinda of thing go visit curezone and fill your head with all manner of ......stuff....

[froggirl]

Originally Posted by BobK

Since the discussion was about the concept of such a forum I thought it appropriate to point out where problems begin with an example of one such item......if a forum were started I would certainly hold the feet of people making claims about disease cures or treatments to the fire.....as should everyone......

Ok, but I still feel that folks tend to listen to a kinder tone than to an agressive one. If protectiong people from no-good treatments is your objective I would think you'd want to deliver the message in a way they'd respond to, that's all.
--f.g.

[insanity]

I vote yes to!

[BobK]

Originally Posted by froggirl

Ok, but I still feel that folks tend to listen to a kinder tone than to an agressive one. If protectiong people from no-good treatments is your objective I would think you'd want to deliver the message in a way they'd respond to, that's all.
--f.g.

In my experience they don't like it when the sacred cow gets gored in any manner.....nice or not so nice.....but I understand what your saying...

[Shepherd]

I'd like to see that as a forum subtopic, yes... I'd really like to learn more about herbal remedies, etc.

[culpeper]

I'd definitely be interested, but I agree with so many others that the mention of 'cures' is playing with fire! Perhaps if we called it 'Folklore remedies' or even 'Old Wives' Tales' or something like that, and put in a disclaimer, it would be better.

Actually, what I'd prefer is a sub-forum devoted to herbs - growing them, cooking with them, medicinal uses etc. That would cover the remedies thing, and broaden the 'audience' somewhat.

[Arkie1]

Since this was shot down before, maybe those that are interested could start a Old Tyme Remedies forum. You could make different categories such as herbs, wildcrafting, nutrition, etc and set up the rules for membership so there's less contention from naysayers.

I know Shrek uses a www.Proboards.com free forum as a back up site.

[cowgirlone]

Arkie1, that's not a bad idea.

I tried to locate the last thread about this, it might have been eaten up in the last crash. This thread is almost an instant replay.

[Patty0315]

I think its a good idea. When suggesting vitamins as a cure such as above the person would not have been hurt. We could add to the title "Grandmas home remedies that no one says they work " A disclaimer stating that this is not a medical site but just shared information for you to do further research and come up with your own educated opinion.
I would love to leave more about herbs that grow wild and what they may help ,see I did not say the C word.

[Arkie1]

Here's the disclaimer that can be found at the bottom of the Herbal Healer Academy website. I think something similarly worded would work; especially if it specifies that all posts are the personal opinions & experiences of the members and not the suggestion of a medical professional.

We do not diagnose diseases and we do not give out any medical advice on the Internet. Information and products provided on this Web Site are for educational and experimental purposes only.

[Spinner]

Originally Posted by BobK

......if a forum were started I would certainly hold the feet of people making claims about disease cures or treatments to the fire.....as should everyone......

Sounds a bit harsh...

Here's an example of what I would expect to read in a forum such as was suggested.

DH once had shingles. Shingles was diagnosed by his Dr. Dr. Rx's meds that DH used the first few days. He was in pain so bad that he couldn't sleep and was very worried about the fact that his Dr. had told him it would take about 2 years for shingles to completely heal. He asked me if I could use herbs to help him. My choice for treatment was this: I mashed 2 old fashion Bayer aspirin and added 1 Tbsp of acetone. I used a cotton ball to soak up some of the solution and dab it on the sores. DH hurt so much that it was painful to have the solution dabbed on. I did it 3 times the first day (the pain stopped with the first application). The next day the sores started drying up. DH dabbed the solution on a few more times and he had no more pain and the sores dried up and vanished within a few days.

Another time DH was gored by a cow. I made a poultice of slippery elm bark and put it over the spot. The next morning we could see bruising all around the poultice. When we took it off, we were amazed to see that the area that had been covered had no bruising, nice fresh looking skin with just a small dark circle in the center where the horn had made contact. If the poultice had been a little larger I don't think there would have been any brusing other than the small spot where the horn made contact. I was not home when he was gored so the poultice was applied several hours after it happened. I've always wondered if the small dark spot would have bruised if the poultice had been applied immediately.

My grandson used to wet the bed every night. This went on until he was about 9 years old. I had read that a spoonful of honey would prevent bedwetting so I told him that if he ate a tablespoon of honey before he went to bed it would keep him from wetting the bed. He started doing that and has not wet the bed since. I don't know if it was mental control on his part or if the honey worked. Either way, it helped him to not wet the bed any longer.

Disclaimer: These are remedies that worked for my family. If you choose to use them, do so at your own risk. I am not a doctor and this is not intended as medical advice or recommendation.

I guess it's time for my feet to go into the fire.

[Arkie1]

Ummm, BBQ!!

Originally Posted by Spinner

Sounds a bit harsh...

Here's an example of what I would expect to read in a forum such as was suggested.

DH once had shingles. Shingles was diagnosed by his Dr. Dr. Rx's meds that DH used the first few days. He was in pain so bad that he couldn't sleep and was very worried about the fact that his Dr. had told him it would take about 2 years for shingles to completely heal. He asked me if I could use herbs to help him. My choice for treatment was this: I mashed 2 old fashion Bayer aspirin and added 1 Tbsp of acetone. I used a cotton ball to soak up some of the solution and dab it on the sores. DH hurt so much that it was painful to have the solution dabbed on. I did it 3 times the first day (the pain stopped with the first application). The next day the sores started drying up. DH dabbed the solution on a few more times and he had no more pain and the sores dried up and vanished within a few days.

Another time DH was gored by a cow. I made a poultice of slippery elm bark and put it over the spot. The next morning we could see bruising all around the poultice. When we took it off, we were amazed to see that the area that had been covered had no bruising, nice fresh looking skin with just a small dark circle in the center where the horn had made contact. If the poultice had been a little larger I don't think there would have been any brusing other than the small spot where the horn made contact. I was not home when he was gored so the poultice was applied several hours after it happened. I've always wondered if the small dark spot would have bruised if the poultice had been applied immediately.

My grandson used to wet the bed every night. This went on until he was about 9 years old. I had read that a spoonful of honey would prevent bedwetting so I told him that if he ate a tablespoon of honey before he went to bed it would keep him from wetting the bed. He started doing that and has not wet the bed since. I don't know if it was mental control on his part or if the honey worked. Either way, it helped him to not wet the bed any longer.

Disclaimer: These are remedies that worked for my family. If you choose to use them, do so at your own risk. I am not a doctor and this is not intended as medical advice or recommendation.

I guess it's time for my feet to go into the fire.

[Shygal]

Originally Posted by BobK

...it couldn't have hurt that much now could it?

Actually Bob, it was quite painful.

[BobK]

[QUOTE=Spinner]Sounds a bit harsh...

Here's an example of what I would expect to read in a forum such as was suggested.

DH once had shingles. Shingles was diagnosed by his Dr. Dr. Rx's meds that DH used the first few days. He was in pain so bad that he couldn't sleep and was very worried about the fact that his Dr. had told him it would take about 2 years for shingles to completely heal. He asked me if I could use herbs to help him. My choice for treatment was this: I mashed 2 old fashion Bayer aspirin and added 1 Tbsp of acetone. I used a cotton ball to soak up some of the solution and dab it on the sores. DH hurt so much that it was painful to have the solution dabbed on. I did it 3 times the first day (the pain stopped with the first application). The next day the sores started drying up. DH dabbed the solution on a few more times and he had no more pain and the sores dried up and vanished within a few days.

Another time DH was gored by a cow. I made a poultice of slippery elm bark and put it over the spot. The next morning we could see bruising all around the poultice. When we took it off, we were amazed to see that the area that had been covered had no bruising, nice fresh looking skin with just a small dark circle in the center where the horn had made contact. If the poultice had been a little larger I don't think there would have been any brusing other than the small spot where the horn made contact. I was not home when he was gored so the poultice was applied several hours after it happened. I've always wondered if the small dark spot would have bruised if the poultice had been applied immediately.

My grandson used to wet the bed every night. This went on until he was about 9 years old. I had read that a spoonful of honey would prevent bedwetting so I told him that if he ate a tablespoon of honey before he went to bed it would keep him from wetting the bed. He started doing that and has not wet the bed since. I don't know if it was mental control on his part or if the honey worked. Either way, it helped him to not wet the bed any longer.

Disclaimer: These are remedies that worked for my family. If you choose to use them, do so at your own risk. I am not a doctor and this is not intended as medical advice or recommendation.

I guess it's time for my feet to go into the fire. [/QU

I don't see too many problems with the claims...although using acetone on the skin is quite harsh and there are probably better solvents ot accomplish the task....but your not treating a childs serious illness, curing cancer, diabetes, or any other serious illness.....and I would ask what would be the response to the goring with cleaning and bandaging only...did the slippery elm do anything or is it an innocent bystander that gets the credit?........many people have a problem with correlation and causation...like I took a vitamin last night and today I feel great...therefore the vitamin fixed what ails me....how many poultice recipes do you tink will get posted? How many claims of managing serious disease states will also be posted? While its true that an individual with Ricketts would not likely be harmed by taking Vit. C,,,but they would also clearly not be helped so the posted information is erronious, misleading, and just plain wrong.......

[Arkie1]

BobK, by your responses I wonder, are you saying that if a MD makes a mistake in either a diagnosis or prescription; his patients should never trust him again?
What about Big Pharmaceutical companies who market drugs after doing studies that claim safety but subsequently are proven harmful and even deadly? Wouldn't that be as much cause for suspicion and distrust as your suspicion and distrust of herbal & natural remedies?