Just for reference...Here is the "controversial" article.

What attempts at noise control did she try
to help the neighbors live and sleep peacefully ?

She could have kept the goats in the barn at night,
and the dogs in the house. That coupled with turning off any lights in the
barn would proabably keep them all pretty quiet.

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"But seriously, Dave, if your best, and maybe only option, for protecting your animals was LGDs, wouldn't you use them?"

I doubt it , i would probably either get larger livestock, or do without.
I have used dogs on a farm, but only passively, i keep them as quiet as possible,
unless someone is on _MY_ property they arent allowed to bark.

I definintly wouldnt let them become a larger burden than my livestock.

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If I am reading all of this correctly; tsdave you don't like dogs barking because in your childhood dogs barked and kept you awake? How many restful bark free nights have you had since then? My guess would be in the thousands. And certainly if you could not stand dogs barking in the night you would not go out and intentionally provoke them into barking more - would you? Voice of reason.

Anne
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"And certainly if you could not stand dogs barking in the night you would not go out and intentionally provoke them into barking more - would you?"

thats what pyrnad said, but what makes more sense is they
were making noise to keep pyrnad awake, eh ? Give her a taste
of her own medicine and all ?

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Dave, you're right, it's nice when it's quiet in the country, and you've done a lot to keep your neighbors happy. You are obviously a nice guy.

But I'll have to say if someone who moved next door to me started complaining about animal noise from my farm, which is commercial btw, I make my living here, then I would sure as heck not be changing my well established farming practices because they didn't like it. You (generic you) can talk about law, etc, all you like, I was here first. If you move next door to something you don't like without doing your homework, whose fault is that but your own? Shut up and take your lumps or move! I wouldn't move next door to a landfill, or a very active business, or a gravel pit, or a racetrack and then complain about it, and if I did I wouldn't try to tell them that they can't run their races on Friday night because it's too noisy, or that the gargage trucks can't run night shift because I don't like it, etc. Why should Pyrnad's case be any different? The only difference is it's small scale.

The septic system was no doubt installed with agreement from both landowners "hey, Joe, I don't have room enough for a good leachfield here, could I run mine under some of your pasture?" "Sure, Bob, go ahead, it shouldn't be a problem". Or else it happened because the contractor didn't know where the property line was and "Joe" let it go after it was done, or maybe never knew about it. Just because it's under the property used by someone else, however, does not make the land the septic owners.

I think Pyrnad has bent over backwards for these people, and is perfectly justified calling out the lawyers for this one. I just hope those XXXX people move!

Jennifer

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Dave I want to file a complaint about the smell coming from your place. I just don't like it and it keeps me up at night, and when I was a kid...just teasing. gotcha

I think the most important point of all these threads about Pyrnad's neighbors is legal recourse. Pyrnad seems to understand this and her neighbors do not. Not being a lawyer (thankfully), I could be wrong, but it seems to me if the neighbors purchased property and were not fully informed about such things as the septic lines not being on the land they were purchasing etc. they too have legal recourse.

Oh, and I have some, I hope, helpful advise about barking dogs. When I lived in town I had a neighbor with hunting dogs. He wasn't a bad neighbor, and I couldn't fault him because the noise was not a problem for him - he could sleep though it....probably was music to his ears...he probably like the sound of his hunting dogs. Anyway, I heard about dog trainers using whisles that only dogs can hear...so I got to wondering if you couldn't use one to train the dogs not to bark? Took a few times but it actually did work. Of course I had to get up, and sometimes had to open the window...but it worked. Felt sorry for some of the doggies I heard whimpering off in the distance -- they should have sued me for hearing damage.

We need to get some mental help to figure out why this thread is so dang interesting.

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Probably because I made the mistake of quoting JAK's fowl (LOL) language in my post. Mpillow and I were pretty much laughing off his cursing at us, but we probably shouldn't have quoted him while doing it. I know I know, better yet, I should have ignored him completely when he told me to... well nevermind.

wow..Just sorta stumbled onto this one..I had been watching the other threads since the beginning but somehow avoided this one..So many deleted posts..does someone need their mouth washed out with soap??lol/
This has the makings of a movie..not necessarily the neighbour thing but the thread thing also..backstabbing.inuendo,sneakyness.word twisting.\just my 2 cents..can you spare some change?

First off , its obvious she runs a animal rescue from her 'farm'.
And or she raises dogs to sell, which she admits,
which voids in my opinion her exemptions under the 'right-to-farm' act,
and also she would still need to prove shes using common, and "the best"
methods to get along with her neighbors, which i doubt she could.
I think that if the dogs get out of hand the neighbors should be able
to do _something_ about it, either call the police or file a nuicance suit.

Just because youve always did it, doesnt make it right. I used to pee out my back door, but when the neighbors moved in, now i have to pee out my front door (away from them).

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I should have said doesnt make it right to keep doing it nomatter what else changes. I think alot of the freedoms and privileges we enjoy in the country are really just because there is no one there to compain about them. When people move in, our freedoms diminish.

I agree farms deserve protection. I would be throwing a bigger fit than pyrnad if a neighbor tried to stop me from raising livestock. But she never said her neighbors wanted her to stop farming, they only want some peace and quiet, and with the barn being so close it causes problems.

Maybe the neighbors (or pyrnad) could have come to a deal , such as the neighbors buying the barn and property it sits on, for enough money pyrnad could build a better barn somewhere else. Or who knows what, but pyrnad said : i was here first, deal with it, you should have known, i dont have to compromise, says so right here. Then the neighbors started stomping around swearing and breaking things. Much better solution, right ?

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I am not saying shes the evil troll under the bridge, only that she was
inconsiderate of her neighbors rights to sleep and enjoyment of their property.
Which you can not say she was, in any sense, only that she had the
legal right not to me.

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Just a thought on the dogs barking at night. I think Pyrnad also wrote about the neighbors staying up really late (like 2 a.m. or later) and preferred to sleep in during the day. I think this is something the neighbors had told her. I could be wrong, but if they're staying up that late, wouldn't the issue of barking dogs keeping them from sleeping be a moot point as they aren't sleeping to start with.

I can understand someone's pet peeves (I have one about college kids partying next door all night). Although I didn't like it, it didn't make it against the law. Sometimes we just have to adjust and move on.

While we're on the subject. We have some kind of bird or bugs that it must be mating season. They are noisy (all day and night). We have to crank up the TV or music just to kinda drown them out. I want to know who is responsible for this? They seem to be in everyone's else's trees. (lol) They are driving my husband nuts (light sleeper). Just a little humor. Please don't get offended.

RD, if you're going to fly off the handle, at least read the threads and get the story straight. The neighbor's property was cut out of Pyr's property. Her property borders at least two sides, I think???? And the other side is a road and then maybe a public trail of some sort???

HB, if you are going to correct someone make sure you are correct in your facts as you get to be held to a higher standard. Now, IIRC, part of Pyr's property was cut off of the neighbors some years ago (iirc the barn area?), hence the likely problem Pyr will face with the septic lines.

That said the surveyor would still need to have access to the property to conduct the survey properly, and it still ignores the fact that Pyr forced the survey on these people (not that I remember the whole thing being stated that it was their property that was being surveyed) and now wants compensation for said survey. As I've hinted, I think both parties can take some blame at this point.

MommyDenise, IIRC we speculated in the first thread on their staying up 'late' or sleeping in late in the original thread and I brought up the training issue way back then as well... and was promptly ignored or told 'she was there first'... whatever that is supposed to mean.

I don't think so. The neighbor's 1 acre was cut off the property Pyrnad owns now, NOT the other way around. Why on earth would the surveyor need access to their property if it's surround on ALL sides by either Pyrnad's property or public property???? He wouldn't.

In many jurisdictions, neighbors BY LAW are required to share the expense of a property line fence, including the cost of a survey to determine where the fence should go.

TSDAVE,
You say you raise pigs for meat. I have seen on discovery channel a certain breed of hog that is used for transplants and skin grafting for burn victims. If you raised those kind of hogs would they stick less or be less apt to squeel? I think not.
The same applies to Pyrnads dogs. It doesn't matter whether she raises them to sell as Guard dogs or just uses them for herself. Guard dogs or any other kind of animal has to be raised somewhere. If you don't think a dog is livestock, ask an eskimo!
I don't know who did what to who, I just know what I have read here, but if these neighbors of Pyrnads bought an acre surrounded by farms in an area zoned agriculture, they are the ones in the wrong complaining about noice from animals of any kind.
If I moved next to you when you already have hogs in an area zoned for them, I would have no right, legal or otherwise, to complain about the smell or noise. Would I?
What would be the difference in me moving to a city and complaining about traffic sounds and smells?

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I have to say something to Dave. You are never going to be satisfied enough to stop posting, and get yelled at, so give up.
I am sorry you are whining about something that happened to you when you were a kid. I am sorry you didn't find a way to fix your problem then. But don't put your assumptions on Pyrnad. You don't know her, you obviously both disagree, leave her alone.
She is not being inconsiderate of her neighbors, she has a farm, she has to run it. It does not matter how many dogs she has, to ask her not to run her farm is like living next to the Bath Iron Works in Bath, Maine, and yelling at them to quit making so much noise. Ain't gonna happen and if you are nuts enough to try to get them to stop your life is gonna suck.

And BTW, Pyrnad does know someone, she knows the next governor of Maine.

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Apparently, you are not aware of current surveying methods.

They don't pull chains like they used to...most surveying is now done with lazers, and is much more accurate.

And you don't have to shoot a straight line. You can stand outside of the property lines, start from a known marker, and shoot straight or work by triangulation.

Also, a deed is public record.

If a crew does not trespass, I fail to see how you could keep someone from surveying your property according to a public document.

Not to digress (like that hasn't happened here!) but did anyone else notice this in the convicted woman's blog?
I mean, who leaves a dead skunk in a yard for a month? I just thought that was odd...

Pam <------------- has been reading these threads but not posting until now

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Did you just move to the country? those are Katiedids AKA leaf hoppers hopefully you get use to them after awhile, neat how they seem to call back and forth hey? they can create quite a ruckus amazing it is just an insect. They will seranade you up till frost then gradually die off.

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Jnap31, I think you are off on the bug noise. I think if you could find one of the insects you would find it to be a cicada. Pronounced Si-Cade-u. You can see why Kadidid may be another folk name for it.
Here we call it a locust, but an actual locust is a green grasshopper.

Hey I have an idea, lets start an arguing thread about Mommydenise' insect noise.
Bet Pyrnad would enjoy the peace.
Jnap, I really wasn't trying to be a smart-elek on the insect. I just thought you might like to look there up and see if you agree.

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