Just for reference...Here is the "controversial" article.

Why don't we take it to General Chat and RUMBLE?

..no joke hb.

Its going both ways homebirtha ..and this thread will suffer because of it.
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I understand the value of LGD ..and also understand the love it takes to take care of 17 of them.
However ..if one or more of them bark every night ..perhaps it is a bit unreasonable! ..just perhaps????
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But didn't you also say the neighbors would have to reimburse you for that survey?
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..encouraging an argument is not abiding by the simple request that Chuck politely asked.
I know many hate me ..but I'll still ask ..Please stick to the topic ..in a civil and diplomatic manner. Thank you.
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I've already politely asked her to do just that very thing.
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I didn't know asking somebody to move a barn was illegal??

I've suggested things to my neighbors ..and my neighbors to me ..that could be taken way out of context ..if the neighbor were so inclined. Fortunately ..I am blessed with very good neighbors.

You're kidding me! Who gave the surveyor permission to enter their property? Is this why there had to be an officer there? To enforce the willful trespass? What gave you the impression they wanted you to survey their land?

It was my understanding that your property was surveyed. Why in the world would you want theirs surveyed?!? Good grief, I'd be ----ed too if my 'neighbor' pulled that unless they owned all the surrounding property around mine. Let me guess, your lawyer is going to try and force them to pay for that survey too, huh? Thus further proof of my original postulated theory. A little neighborly behavior on both parts would have gone a long way to avoiding this mess.

If you had read the original thread you would understand. No one entered their property. I made a resonable offer to them. I do not want all the cash for the survey.
I will no longer respond to this thread. I f you are unable to keep up then do not reply. When I have info I will post a new thread for those that want to know.
Sorry Chuck, and to those that have been civil.
I would not blame Chuck if he shut it down.

Oh ..How could anybody know that for an absolute fact? Because anymore ..I'm not convinced it "would" have!

Pyrnad's neighbors refused to buy the property their septic field sits on ..and that was a very very reasonable offer. How could anybody seriously believe they "would" have previously agreed to any reasonable solution that Pyrnad might have offered?



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..(FTR: I am not going back on any previous question and/or disagreement that I had before.
..Merely offering my opinion that it isn't necessarily a fact that greater neighborly behavior from Pyrnad wouldn't still have been greeted with disdain and scorn from those neighbors!! I've looked at it from the neighbors point of view ..and its become much clearer through continued discussion that they probably would not have been open to any agreement whatsoever.
That said ..I've also looked at it from Pyrnad's point-of-view ..and perhaps Pyrnad has done more to minimize the situation than any of us could have done ..even on our Best days.
No ..Pyrnad isn't perfect ..but then again ..none of us are.)

But why should they buy the land when they likely don't have to? And this didn't start from the septic but from the barking dogs that were presented as one. I have issues with the behaviour (past and present) of both parties. I also feel bad for both parties.

I can understand a little more. I would not pay for a survey just because the neighbor wanted one. Especially on my land. Let the neighbor survey their own land and pay for their own survey. Don't try to force someone to pay for something you asked for.
Would any of you pay for a survey on your own land just because the neighbor wanted one? If they went ahead and got the survey would you pay for it?
This has began to stink even more.

Good point. However ..it seems that Pyrnad's lawyer believes they have to. And I have to believe that Pyrnad's lawyer knows the law better than we do.

But if you are right ..then your point above is obviously valid.

I guess Chuck found something to do tonight!

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These threads about the BAD NEIGHBORS have gone one way and then the other over one thing and then the next. I am just curious about the number of dogs the rest of you posters have. I myself live 14 miles from a State prison in an area of Oklahoma infested with Meth labs. I have 6 dogs on my 3/4 acre. A Rottweiler, a Great Pyranese, a Pit Bull and three Cocker spaniels. The cockers are pets, the others protectors. At times you won't hear a dog all night and other times when someone is pilfering around or coyotyes are running, they bark all night long. I live in a small community of about 25 families. Everyone has dogs. There is lots of coon and wolf hunting around here. Ever see "Where The Red Fern Grows"? It is just down the road a short ways. I am talking people here may have 20 hunting dogs that bay all night when they can smell their quary or are on the hunt. Someone that raised cain about a barking dog here would be laughed at. Threaten a man's dog and he might accidentally get himself shot. Could possibly get Hog eaten to.
Some of the ones bashing Pyrnad have also stated they couldn't handle dogs barking. I am wondering if that isn't the root of several of the hateful postings.

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When a Police Officer gets a call about a complaint, the dispatcher generally doesn't give very many details over the radio. Standard operation for the Police to go to the complaintant first to get the facts. AND Then go confront the one the complaint was issued about. My husband has worn a badge for 30 years and it doesn't matter if the cop knows someone or not, that is how it is generally done.

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Aside from barking dogs, surveys, property line, and septic issues ... I just read the link about corruption in Maine and yadda, yadda, yadda .....

That woman's screed made me wonder if there was in fact a munchausen by proxy (yes, I know I probably spelled that wrong) in reference to animals? I have had quite a few pets over the years, and hubby grew up on a cattle farm, and between the two of us we never encountered as many "health" issues as this woman did in the first three pages with our animals. As a matter of fact, the only person I know who has seen so many "sick" animals is a professional wildlife rehabilitator.

Things that make you go hmmm....

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Now, I don't exactly understand why your attny. feels they need to 'buy' that property from you.

Squatters rights were originally established to prevent land owners from not being present on their properties. If someone has the nerve, and they 'squat' long enough, the land owner looses rights. Permanently. I would love to hear the case study your attny. is using, if they are of the belief this can be 'won'.

Whenever squatters take a property, it is a really rotten situation. Yours particularly stinks! (no pun intended )

I have been to your lovely state on many occasions. Can't say I love your weather, however! A little damp; all the time.

Our family has a home in Tenants Harbor on the Penobscot Bay, The Sail Loft. In fact, while spending time in that pastoral town, I first fell in love, and had to have chickens, when a neighbor's rooster and hens came to our side porch 'begging' for food!

The property was purchased in 1820 and has been in the family ever since. For the last 100 years, it has been a vacation home. Approx. 35 years ago, nobody found the time/took the effort to make it up there, and, squatters took over a postage stamp portion of the bay front property, where they built a shack.

Because the property is quite extensive, and generations had passed-this was not really noticed for years.

By the time it was realized-the squatters had full ownership rights to the strip of land they 'claimed' as their own.

The best attorneys could not do a darn thing. Recently, that shack on the postage stamp piece of property sold....in excess of 850,000.

Now, that section of property is certainly not 'missed' but it certainly is a sore subject!

I am terribly sorry, but I don't think you have much legal recourse against the squatters. I would suggest if you want to fight this, your best fight will be to sue the realtor who sold you the property, the SELLER, the survey company who originally did your survey at the time of purchase; your real estate attorney who represented you as buyer; but not the squatter. What does the title company who insured clear title on the property you purchased say? I truly question your attorney. And I kinda know what I am talking about when it comes to property. I won't bore you with my credentials, but I will say, case studies are light recreational reading for me.

The Sail Loft


My lovely children on their first vacation in Maine on the front steps


My best,

Melissa

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In ME the requirement for adverse possesion is 20 years with stipulations therein in most instances from what I've read. Her potential problem is the person that sold her the property may have also been the one who installed the septic system. But apparently I don't know too much.

Qwispea, I've seen many lawyers get stuck on one issue in their head and ignoring others. The advice was given, if it's not acted upon I can still sleep soundly.

If that is the case how come I just read thru a bunch of your deleted posts?

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That sounds tough, Dave.

I'm amazed you've been able to remain so unbiased in your opinions with trauma like that in your past.

A septic isn't a squatter, savinggrace...although I think what happened to your property stinks.

The noise that drives me bippy is the sound of someone's car stereo pumping out a reverberating sub-hearing-level bass...When we lived in the burbs we were on a corner lot across the street from the water. We had a tall hedge and the neighbor's property on that side was very deep. Feeling slightly isolated, teens would park there and party. You want to talk about annoying, at times infuriating noise in the middle of the night! Not to mention the beer bottles and ciggarette butts they left behind. And of course they themselves were loud. Foul language too, of course.

In a busy area like ours, it often took the cops way too long to show up, too.

In contrast, our closest neighbors down the hill (about 2 acres away from our house through our woods) raised chocolate and yellow labs. Lots of barking. Farmer up the hill has cows. Lots of mooing...and when he manures his fields, quite a lovely odor wafting around. Plus those nights when he sits up shooting coyotes...

One night the owls had a convention in our woods. It sounded like a troop of monkeys was in there!

Occassionally there are wildlife disturbances that can be quite loud and wake us all up.

I did, however, get rid of all my roosters. Didn't like having to go sleep in the living room when one got tuned up at 3 AM. But I do like the sound of a rooster in the distance.

I wouldn't trade this life for anything short of heaven itself!

Let me say something about 'farm' smells and sounds, my barn is 3 steps from my back door. I have 22 hogs there and 7 hens in there. Also have a steer nearby.

And i go out and inspect any noises. And in fact when my piglets were still on their sows, they started making alot of noise at night when they ate, so i took the bulbs out of the lights in the back, so they would goto sleep when its dark. No one even had to complain for me to do this, i took it upon myself to keep my actuall livestock as quiet as possible.

Some people respect peace (and quiet) and some dont. Personally i think that peace and quiet is the best aspect of the country. Listening to the bugs, the wind, and the wild things.

I raise animals for food, thousand of pounds of meat food. I try not to bother anybody doing it.

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But seriously, Dave, if your best, and maybe only option, for protecting your animals was LGDs, wouldn't you use them?

Pyrnad's dogs only bark when there is a reason too. They are not yappy mutts barking on and on because they want to be in the house, or some such. Only a few are on duty at a time---protecting against bears, coyotes, and human predators...

The NN's are not living your childhood nightmare. You had no choice in what you endured. And from the sounds of it, those dogs were barking just for the heck of it.

These people are adults who fully knew they were moving in right next to a working farm. Did they not realize that if you move nxt to dogs, you will hear barking? And if you move next to a barn, you will hear other animal noises?

Certainly, if there is noise that pyrnad COULD have controlled, I am sure if approached in a civil manner at a decent hour, she would have tried to be accomodating.

But how do you muzzle chickens and goats?