What happened to Pyrnad's thread?

mpillow · #21 07/20/06, 09:28 AM

Fair Enough

Mike in Ohio · #22 07/20/06, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MorrisonCorner

And while it is all well and good for us to armchair this situation and say "they should have..." there's a nice fellow who bought a plot of land in northern Vermont who has discovered the property is (CF correct me if I'm wrong) glacial silt of some kind... which won't support a conventional septic system. The property is 10.1 acres which everyone involved in the transaction may have assumed exempts it from state septic regs... or assumed that surely, on 10.1 acres, there has to be a place that will support septic. Worse, Vermont does not exempt someone with a composting toilet from having to install a backup conventional tank and field.

Sure, in both cases "somebody" should have done their homework... sort of. But anyone who owns property, no matter how long you've held it, can come face to face with an unpleasant surprise. A forgotten right of way, an easement you didn't know about, a spring with an ancient right of use... or a property line which isn't where you've always thought it was.

Septic is the onwer/purchasers lookout. As far as rights of way,easements and property lines, that is what surveys and title insurance are for.

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Originally Posted by MorrisonCorner

And in some cases, the guy with the large parcel of glacial silt for example, the surprise can render your asset almost worthless for what you purchased it for and be a financial blow from which you may never recover. People, faced with financial ruin and their lives in shreds, react rather badly sometimes.

Are you trying to give an excuse or an explanation? In either case, it doesn't really matter. Waht you are saying is that bad outcomes because of a persons choices can be externalized to others because the personal consequences somehow justify their misbehavior. I don't accept that at all.

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Originally Posted by MorrisonCorner

And while I sympathize with this woman, certainly over her trees... I'd be livid... I also sympathize for this couple who may never recover from this mistake and have probably been living in a panic stricken misery for some time now.

No sympathy here. They had an ethical and legal obligation to know their property lines. If they are in a panic stricken misery it is due to their own actions and nobody elses.

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Originally Posted by MorrisonCorner

It's the poor sods left holding the bag and watching their lives evaporate I feel sorry for. Dogs, goats, garden, etc, will still be there when this all sugars off. But these poor sods will be left with nothing. And nobody deserves to go from "I bought my dream house" to being left with absolutely nothing. Nobody.

Technically they do deserve it. It is a direct and forseeable consequence of the choices they made. Happens all the time.

If you don't feel they deserve it then by all means you should go and give them money from your own pocket to make them whole. To place the onus on Pyrnad or anyone else is plain silly. Why should pyrnad take responsibility for the poor choices and behavior of her neighbor?

Mike

jnap31 · #23 07/20/06, 10:06 AM

I am not posting anything of substance here to only risk it "dissapearing"

JAK · #24 07/20/06, 10:23 AM

I don't consider my opinions to be of much substance, so I'll risk it.

I think it should be possible to sympathize or empathize with either side or both sides without offending anybody.
But if anyone choses to disagree with that statement I won't be offended. It really shouldn't matter what I think.

Ardie/WI · #25 07/20/06, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck

I'm asking that you all drop it. If you want to hear about Pyrnad, ask her in a PM. I'm tired of the bickering about it, and will continue to disappear any topic that gets out of hand.

I agree! For goodess sakes, people, drop it!

Go outside and find something to do!

Bake some cookies!

Anything!

JAK · #26 07/20/06, 10:28 AM

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fantasymaker · #27 07/20/06, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck

I'm asking that you all drop it. If you want to hear about Pyrnad, ask her in a PM. I'm tired of the bickering about it, and will continue to disappear any topic that gets out of hand.

WOW this was obviously a topic of HUGE interest.There was some talk about it being a recordsetter.If you combined all the various threads it would have been HUGE!

Isnt Bickering another word for discussion? Like it says at the top of the page isnt that what this forum is all about?
I can understand your being tired of it but just cause you are bored with it is that a reason to kill it?
I think there where some personel attacks that mighta been outa bounds can you just censer a single post without dissapearing the topic?
Will any popular thread be dissapeared?

JanO · #28 07/20/06, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ardie/WI

I agree! For goodess sakes, people, drop it!

Go outside and find something to do!

Bake some cookies!

Anything!

My thoughts exactly! If you all need to argue and bicker, take it over to General Chat.

Pyrnad, I'm sure your getting bombarded with PM's so I won't add to your misery. But, if you choose to let those of us who are really concerned know how things are going, I hope you add me to the list.

Best wishes
Jan

jnap31 · #29 07/20/06, 10:34 AM

Seems like just about any popular thread gets shut down/locked not usually dissapeared. I think the mods dont want to take the time to edit out individual posts sometimes.

Reptyle · #30 07/20/06, 10:44 AM

So if I understand it correctly pyrnad will not be allowed to share her story in an open forum with others because of the persecution of a few? She now has to tell her story via PMs as though she's somehow done something wrong? I am trying to understand, on what level that is right or even resembling fair...anyone care to explain?

jnap31 · #31 07/20/06, 10:50 AM

That is what it sounds like, How sad and unfair.

JAK · #32 07/20/06, 10:53 AM

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tallpines · #33 07/20/06, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JanO

Pyrnad, I'm sure your getting bombarded with PM's so I won't add to your misery. But, if you choose to let those of us who are really concerned know how things are going, I hope you add me to the list.

Best wishes
Jan

I'd like to know how its working out for you, too.

I'm cheering for YOU!

Ardie/WI · #34 07/20/06, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jnap31

That is what it sounds like, How sad and unfair.

I want to quote my sister:

"Life's unfair....so adjust!"

fantasymaker · #35 07/20/06, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JanO

That's very true, but your forgetting one thing. The first time the police came out it was because the neighbors complained about the dogs. The police checked out her set up and found nothing wrong. I'm not going to get into statistics or generalities here... I'm just talking about this particular situation.

PYRNAD please for give me for what im about to do but I dont think she will get it if I dont.
The Following IS NOT the facts as I know them It is conjecture and a Illistration Its not even what I belive to be true.

JanO You missed the point TOTALLY what if,
When the neighbors called the police and talked with the dispatcher(her daughter) who called the sherriff (Pyrnads granddad) for advice? he confered with the judge(his golf and hunting buddy whos child is rasied on Pyrnads goatmilk due to allergies) they desides to cover Pyrnads butt? So they sent out the deputies(Pyrnads cousin and daughters boyfriend) with orders to shut them stupid cityfolks up?

Would you still argue that she was doing nothing Illeagle? was she? I doubt it. was it obvious? nope not at all. Im not talking about Pyrnad here remeber the above is a fiction worked out in my head but it is a possability thus I have to disagree with your statement Its inportant to remeber that the cops are people they make mistakes they have motives and they do not have the last word

Wayne02 · #36 07/20/06, 11:00 AM

What happened to Pyrnad's thread? - Homesteading Questions

Chuck · #37 07/20/06, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jnap31

I think the mods dont want to take the time to edit out individual posts sometimes.

Exactly right. Glad to see someone gets it. We don't get paid to be here. so anything you do which will make the mods job harder, has a good chance of evaporating.

MaineFarmMom · #38 07/20/06, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jnap31

Seems like just about any popular thread gets shut down/locked not usually dissapeared. I think the mods dont want to take the time to edit out individual posts sometimes.

We know. You've already said that. What you haven't said is that you're ready to spend your time volunteering here as a moderator. Or that you're going to spend your time and effort on running a forum. If you're not going to DO something productive please don't complain.

jnap31 · #39 07/20/06, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck

Exactly right. Glad to see someone gets it. We don't get paid to be here. so anything you do which will make the mods job harder, has a good chance of evaporating.

I dont know if your aware of the fact but my old first seargent here Also coincidentally named Chuck looks like your identical twin with out the facial hair of course. He is a dead ringer for you though I think he may have a few more wrinkles being a little older.

jnap31 · #40 07/20/06, 11:25 AM

I am not even going to have a computer in a few months when I finally get home, so It would do me no good to be a moderator besides I would have a hard time being impartial as I have deep feelings and opinions and am not afraid to share them. Dont worry I will still update you all on my way back from selling at the farmers market at the library computers and when ever I get a chance to go to town. I will be pretty busy the first few months though getting bee hives set up and getting racoon proof housing built for critters and getting the animals again as well as cleaning up the damage over a years absence has created an dgetting to know my babies again.