Bad neighbors get what is Due

omnicat · #**141** 07/17/06, 10:37 AM

LOL! @ Barking Mormons!

I guess I had LDS on the brain from another discussion earlier...

fantasymaker · #**142** 07/17/06, 10:40 AM

Pyranad Is it over? Have you gotten your money? Have they left? I personally hate to admit it but I likely wouldnt hav been as restrained as you! But this also points out to me what can Happen.I, like alot of people here was behind you right up to the part where it seems like some old people are about to be ruined.I wanted them to go away not be ruined!
It would seem that some of the things they did were so incredably stupid that it makes your tale unbeliveable...BUT Ive met people like that! I also understand that they made the situation .Its just sad how it turned out...FOR BOTH OF YOU.
Did you ever find out why they cut the trees?What amount was thier value set at?
As for all the people that tell ya about the lawdont worry a lot like My lawyer says "the law is set in stone...pause.....EACH DAY."

omnicat · #**143** 07/17/06, 10:57 AM

One thought that's been bugging me ever since it was suggestted that the tree-cutting could have merely been a case of them thinking they were cutting their own trees -

If they were (in their own minds) cutting their OWN trees - why in the heck would they deny they did it? ("Yes, I cut the trees...we were going to use them for blah blah blah...") Why would you deny cutting your own trees? That alone seems to smack of the cutting as a hostile act of vengeful spite...that they KNEW they weren't their trees, and they were doing it as an act of vandalism, hence the denial until presented with the photographic evidence.

suitcase_sally · #**144** 07/17/06, 11:09 AM

[QUOTE=tsdave

And i dont believe if those neighbors had the intelligence to check the proper athorities, that pyrnad would be allowed to exempt 17 dogs some old and living in the house, as livestock guard dogs. Thats not right.

Pyrnad needs to either move the obnoxious animals away from the neighbors, or make them be quiet. I would not fault her for the odor, or feeding noises. But 17 barking dogs all night, that just aint right. No way, no how.[/QUOTE]

I agree. In my neck of the woods, if you have more than 3 dogs, you gotta have a kennel license AND A KENNEL!

suitcase_sally · #**145** 07/17/06, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by homebirtha

Let the coyotes have the goats, just don't bother the new people who moved in next door.

Didn't prymad KNOW there were wolves and coyotes there before she got the 17 dogs?? What have all her other neighbors said about the dogs?

Can you spell ESCALATE? I don't think all is being told here. REDNECK is as REDNECK does.

omnicat · #**146** 07/17/06, 11:20 AM

In many necks of the woods, farm animals are not allowed to be kept. But we're talking about a farm. They are working dogs. Also - she HAS a "kennel"

From the Dictionary:
A kennel is the name given to any structure or shelter for dogs. A kennel is a doghouse, run, or other small structure in which a dog is kept.

But all that aside, how would the situation be aby different if she HAD a kennel license? (We've already established that she has several "kennels" - the barn, the house, the goat run. Her dogs are NOT out of control, running onto other properties, they're styaing where they are supposed to, and doing their job)

homebirtha · #**147** 07/17/06, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by suitcase_sally

I agree. In my neck of the woods, if you have more than 3 dogs, you gotta have a kennel license AND A KENNEL!

Well, there you have it. You stay in your suburbia, regulated, neck of the woods, and let us rednecks stay in ours. lol.

Seriously, you are clearly living a very different life, in a very different place from those of us with real, working farms. Obviously you don't comprehend why someone would need more then 3 dogs. But, there are folks who do. And you know what, they live in a place where that is their perogative, where there aren't these restrictive laws telling us what we can or cannot do with our property. If you don't like it, don't live there. Stay in the 'burbs where your neighbors won't have more then 3 dogs, and we'll all be happy. Maybe Pyr's neighbors can get a place in your neighborhood, or TSDaves? Or maybe Qwispeas. bwahahahaha....

RandB · #**148** 07/17/06, 11:48 AM

Pyrnad -

I hope, in spite of the mean things being said on this thread, that you will let us know how things turn out for you. Some of us do support you, and are genuinely interested. It's too bad some people had to jump in here and start bashing.

homebirtha · #**149** 07/17/06, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by suitcase_sally

Didn't prymad KNOW there were wolves and coyotes there before she got the 17 dogs?? What have all her other neighbors said about the dogs?

Can you spell ESCALATE? I don't think all is being told here. REDNECK is as REDNECK does.

Ummm, not sure what your point is here??? She knew there were coyotes, so she got LGDs to protect her livestock. What would your suggestion be? She shouldn't live there in the first place? Or she should give up her livestock and her dogs, so these folks aren't bothered anymore? Maybe they can pass a regulation telling the wolves not to eat livestock? lol.

She stated several times that she has never had any problems with any of her other neighbors. One even mentioned how quiet her place is and they had no idea she had so many animals because it was so quiet.

I'm just not sure what can be said to ever make folks like you, dave, and qwispea "get it". How can we put this into terms you'll understand? You can't move some place and expect everyone there to change for you. If you moved next to an airport, would you expect the planes to stop taking off and landing while you were sleeping? Of course not. This is the same principal. You move next to someone with LGDs, in an area where they are allowed to be, don't expect it to be silent at night.

Qwispea · #**150** 07/17/06, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jillis

WOULD ALL OF YOU LATECOMERS PLEASE READ ALL OF THE NUMEROUS THREADS ON THIS TOPIC AND THEN ADD YOUR INPUT???

17 dogs were not barking. 17 dogs were not barking. 17 dogs were not barking. 17 dogs were not barking. 17 dogs were not barking. 17 dogs were not barking.

The fact that pyrnad owned 17 dogs does not mean that 17 dogs were barking all night.

Most of the dogs are in the house at night---except those that are out patrolling, protecting the goats and other livestock. And THOSE dogs are trained to only bark when there are predators approaching. IT'S THEIR JOB!!!
It is a working farm! The nasty neighbors never approached pyrnad about the dogs until after midnight one night when they cursed her out and threatened to poison her valuable LGDs! When she reacted to ther outburst they went into their workshop, shed, whatever, and began a horrendous banging racket in order to either disturb her, or stir up her dogs, or both.
They could have approached her in the daytime and reasonbly tried to work things out with her---she had been very friendly and welcoming to them. They choose to be putzes, and to continue growing from putziness to outright unbelievable gall. They have willfully and maliciously cut down a large swathe of valuable timber on her land---and were caught! They have been obnoxious to every person who has been involved in this case---surveyor, police, ad nauseum.
Not to mention they were DEMANDING that she MOVE HER BARN?!?!? Because they were disturbed by the sounds and smells of her animals??? They knew there was a working farm right smack dab next door to the place they were buying. And they have the gall to move in and expect pyrnad to change her entire life to suit them.

It is fine to have an opinion. An un-informed opinion just annoys the heck out of everyone who has been following this, and makes you look like self-righteous ninnies.

And Qwispea---Most folks are not "calling" evil down on the nasty neighbors. We're just enjoying what an admirable job they are doing of bringing down on themselves.

I'm willing to bet that the "bad wishes" of scads of prior neighbors followed them to this place...pyrnad...too bad you couldn't post these episodes in these people's old neighborhoods. They'd probably host a block party in your honor!

Talk about reading the entire thread! Geez ..A whole lot of speculation and fiction in that one!

The blind shall lead the blind!

Qwispea · #**151** 07/17/06, 11:50 AM

Pyrnad ..you will tell us when you take their home away from them ..won't you?

omnicat · #**152** 07/17/06, 11:59 AM

Pyrnad is not "taking" their home. The fact that they might lose their home is all their own doing. It's not pyrnad's fault that the house is worth less than the destruction they willfully and spitefully caused on her property.

Qwispea - you're clearly in it for the fight. I'm sure you'll come back with something else nasty to say to/about pyrnad. I hope she ignores you.

bargarguy · #**153** 07/17/06, 12:11 PM

Jeeeez sorry , however 17 still seems excessive and more than none barking at night is excessive to me if it is repetative. Not all all of us roll over and go back to sleep

suitcase_sally · #**154** 07/17/06, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by homebirtha

Well, there you have it. You stay in your suburbia, regulated, neck of the woods, and let us rednecks stay in ours. lol.

Seriously, you are clearly living a very different life, in a very different place from those of us with real, working farms. Obviously you don't comprehend why someone would need more then 3 dogs. But, there are folks who do. And you know what, they live in a place where that is their perogative, where there aren't these restrictive laws telling us what we can or cannot do with our property. If you don't like it, don't live there. Stay in the 'burbs where your neighbors won't have more then 3 dogs, and we'll all be happy. Maybe Pyr's neighbors can get a place in your neighborhood, or TSDaves? Or maybe Qwispeas. bwahahahaha....

Where did you get the idea that I live in suburbia? I live on 204 acres. I got the biggest lot in suburbia!

omnicat · #**155** 07/17/06, 01:01 PM

<i>more than none barking at night is excessive to me</i>

It's my understanding that more than one working dog is required to be with the goats at night, because the coyote around there hunt in packs.

bargarguy · #**156** 07/17/06, 02:01 PM

Omnicat
I agree, if there is a good reason for the working dog or dogs to be barking then so be it. Problem is when was the last time you heard just one or two dogs bark, if the others are in ear shot, you can bet they'll chime in. Another thought is regardless of where you live barking dogs are an inconvience, but then again if there is a herd to protect then its understandable thats part of living in the country. F.Y.I yotes will not harrass a herd repetively unless they are able to make a kill so I am thinking the barking if it is quite frequent might be something else.

Jen H · #**157** 07/17/06, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bargarguy

Jeeeez sorry , however 17 still seems excessive and more than none barking at night is excessive to me if it is repetative. Not all all of us roll over and go back to sleep

LGDs work in twos and threes, depending on the predator situation. One or two dogs run the predators off while the other dog gets the critters away from the threat. When there are predators around, you will hear those dogs sounding the alarm. That's their job. You can either listen to the dogs or listen to repeated shot gun blasts as the farmer is out there protecting the herd.

I guess if you don't live in an area with a big coyote, cougar, and bear population, you don't think about those things or aren't used to them. Those of us who do live in farm country where coyotes, cougars, and bears are present are used to the dogs and know what job they're doing. I don't run LGDs myself, because my herd is small enough to enclose in the barn at night, but when I hear my neighbor's guard dogs and my own herd dog, that's my cue to get out there with the rifle and spotlight and check up on things. That's part of the deal - along with hearing roosters crow, goats baaaa, pigs oink, and donkeys bray.

In one of the earlier threads, Pyrnad explained that some of the dogs are older breeding stock she's keeping as pets until they pass on. They sleep inside the house and hang out in their old age. There's nothing wrong with that!

Those of us rooting Pyrnad on are just tired of having people move in and then complain about the everyday life of the farm they willing moved in next to. Pyrnad is staying entirely within the law and standing her ground while her neighbors hang themselves with their own rope. She isn't taking their home away - they're giving it away! They picked the fight, she's finishing it. Good for her.

JanO · #**158** 07/17/06, 02:28 PM

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Those of us rooting Pyrnad on are just tired of having people move in and then complain about the everyday life of the farm they willing moved in next to. Pyrnad is staying entirely within the law and standing her ground while her neighbors hang themselves with their own rope. She isn't taking their home away - they're giving it away! They picked the fight, she's finishing it. Good for her.

Very well said Jen.

LisaInN.Idaho · #**159** 07/17/06, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jen H

LGDs work in twos and threes, depending on the predator situation. One or two dogs run the predators off while the other dog gets the critters away from the threat. When there are predators around, you will hear those dogs sounding the alarm. That's their job. You can either listen to the dogs or listen to repeated shot gun blasts as the farmer is out there protecting the herd.

I guess if you don't live in an area with a big coyote, cougar, and bear population, you don't think about those things or aren't used to them. Those of us who do live in farm country where coyotes, cougars, and bears are present are used to the dogs and know what job they're doing. I don't run LGDs myself, because my herd is small enough to enclose in the barn at night, but when I hear my neighbor's guard dogs and my own herd dog, that's my cue to get out there with the rifle and spotlight and check up on things. That's part of the deal - along with hearing roosters crow, goats baaaa, pigs oink, and donkeys bray.

In one of the earlier threads, Pyrnad explained that some of the dogs are older breeding stock she's keeping as pets until they pass on. They sleep inside the house and hang out in their old age. There's nothing wrong with that!

Those of us rooting Pyrnad on are just tired of having people move in and then complain about the everyday life of the farm they willing moved in next to. Pyrnad is staying entirely within the law and standing her ground while her neighbors hang themselves with their own rope. She isn't taking their home away - they're giving it away! They picked the fight, she's finishing it. Good for her.

Exactly. This is poetic justice.

bargarguy · #**160** 07/17/06, 02:30 PM

Jen
I seriously doubt I need you to explain anything to me regarding rural life. I am no city slicker and you need a lesson on what is reasonable as far as working dogs. It is people such as yourself who create problems by showing no respect to your neighbors and acting responsably with the number of dogs, working or otherwise, Point is there are others to be considered and I don't care who was there first or second or last. Anyone who knows anything about it knows that 6 dogs are more than enough.