Bad neighbors get what is Due

If some of the 17 dogs are old and live/sleep in the house then how can their be 17 dogs barking all night? Your math needs a bit of a tune up!!!

Yes, it would help if you could do that, Qw.

"....and the donkey owner needed temporary housing for the beast and pyrnad being the nice person she is took the donkey and a few other critters to get someone thru a rough patch....."

nope that's not the truth in the usa.
even here in serious 'good old boy' country down in mississippi!
my family were the newbies in an old school bus, too many cats & long haired men, who moved in & were repeatedly threatened & then sued over an acess road.
we were challenged all the way to the state supreme court & still won the right to use the existing gravel driveway without paying an easment fee or having to build a road coming in from another highway! it cost $$, we lost sleep over the stunts they pulled trying to scare us off.
Even though they were born there,owned hundreds of acres, rented yet more, & were deacons in the local church none the less we stood our legal & moral ground & won.['cause i don't think it is moral to give in to bullies.]
justice can be slow & blind but she is not stupid.
and for those of you non livestock people, pyrenees LGD s have been selected for quite a few years to bark, & bark loud. There is no 'keeping them quiet' when they are working dogs.-> i still think the one at the westminster show was a bleached golden retriever with fur extensions....
i love how my pry will rush out like a lion when ever my guineas give a distress call. she will harry them if it was a false alarm, so they have learned not to cry wolf too much.
Like others have said, this is a working farm! not working like you would have it 'working' ,we are all clear on that, but thank you it is still the u.s. & a lone female can keep her livestock safe no matter how 'socialy acceptible' some of y'all find it.
*geesh* she is not a feed lot/hog operation with overflowing lagoons, she is a sucker for animals who need her & is able to care for them .there was no way they city folks could have missed the sounds of a goat herd & lgd,day or night they obviously thought the could scare a single lady into doing what they wanted.

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You're right, I wasn't very nice, and I shouldn't have stooped to that level, but I am so tired of reading more of your passive aggressive posts that I had to say my piece. You're still at it, even in this post. "If" her property was damaged, like she's lying about the trees. "The discrepencies we've been subjected to", etc. It's just mean-spirited. This isn't a generic what-if discussion about some hypothetical issue. This is a member of this board who is hurting, posting about a really difficult situation she's going through, and you're just kicking her while she's down. She didn't ask for adivce, and she stated that she (like many of us) are sick of your armchair lawyering. So just stop your accusing and picking, and move on! Geesh. Alright, I'm done now. It's not like Pyrnad needs me to stick up for her. She clearly can take care of herself. You go girl!!!

Oh my word.

Qwispea.

Please.

STOP!

As a 3rd party, I sure would love to sit down with the folks & hear their side of the story.

There are _always_ 2 sides to a story.

Doesn't make them right. Just, there are always 2.

At first, you got undivided support here.

Now, we are looking back at our own situations in the past....

And, it would just be nice to hear both sides.

I mostly agree with you, & have in past messages to you.

However, there are little bits & pieces one has to question. And, again, we are _only_ hearing your words. There is that 1% chance you are making the whole story up; or the shoe is on the other foot & you are the evil one, the new neighbors have tried & tried.....



Just how it all is, we ain't never going to hear their side, & probably don't need to. Or even want to talk to them.

Hope you can understand a little pause, & consideration of due process & the like.

All we ever get in a forum like this is 'hearsay' on any topic. Just how it is.

Thanks for the updates as you go through this.

--->Paul

Unbelieveable! All I can say is may the armchair lawyers have their hands sewn into their pockets so they cannot type. Please you guys give it a rest - there is not a thing this lady can say without you all tearing into her. Yes there are 2 sides to every story. All we have to work with is Pyrnad's side, if you would like to second guess what the other side of the story might be - start a new thread, but please don't hijack this one like the last thread. Surf around the site - maybe the her neighbors are members and looking for people to hear their side of the story. Lastly, that is what the real courts, judges and lawyers are for . . . to hear both sides of the story and to get to the bottom of it all. Give it a rest, please.

Anne
Cowgirlracer

You know, I had a neighbor make a land grab a few years ago that we had to fight through town councils. In the beginning he was so convincing he'd managed to have the road commissioner do a new layout of a town road, moving it over onto our property and cutting himself a new driveway right across our land. If it weren't done so laughably poorly (the road is steep but the cut was made at the absolute steepest point and would have been impossible to navigate in any kind of snow) they might have been able to get away with it. As it was we contested on two grounds. One.. that the property didn't belong to this gentleman and two... that the layout as presented was hopelessly flawed.

In the first meeting we submitted photographs taken in the early 1950's which showed (from the top of our garage) an arial view which included our house, the town road, and this gentleman's driveway (on his land but not where he wanted it to be).

It took a year and I believe some 6 meetings, each time we resubmitted the photos, each time they ignored them. We did title searches, pulled up satellite photos, town representatives did site walks... he hired a lawyer (a very bad one...)... all in all I'd say about 12 hours of council time, probably 40 hours of our time, a fair amount of money.... and a lot of his time and money, went into this fight. With about a quarter of an acre at stake. By the time it all ended this man actually said to the town council that he should be awarded the land anyway because "she was mean to me."

This whole fight was over the fact that some 10 years previous he'd come up to visit his property and, finding his driveway washed out, had parked in the middle of our one lane road. I'd told him to move his car and when he refused, ordered him to move it (I had to get to work) or I'd have it towed.

People who think they've been slighted can get nasty beyond all reason. Today, as that parcel is back on the market, we also realize he needed that land because he's got nowhere to site a septic system. But at the time he didn't know that and neither did we.

Would I have changed anything in our first confrontation? Probably not. But if he'd been smarter about this and tried to fight me in court instead of cheaping out and going through the town we'd have been out an awful lot of money in lawyer's fees.

However, when the fight started i had the same reaction as Pyrnad... you want to pick a fight? Fine... I'll finish it. But I suspect both Pyrnad and I if approached nicely would have been willing to work with these people on the land issue. The first we heard about the grab was a survey map and a notice that the final approval was being discussed in a coucil meeting (one rubber stamp away from "done deal"). Had he simply come to us and said "I need this small piece of your property to site a septic on" we certainly could have worked something out because we have a septic on that side of the road which could stand to be upgraded.

Ultimately this guy bailed on the property and threw the problem into the next buyer's lap. I would expect the same will happen in Pyrnad's case.

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Its too obvious that some people only want to see the one side of this drama.







I still refuse to call down evil upon the neighbors.

The way I think on this is if the "neighbors" hadn't started all this Pyrnad would not have to finish it. She has been well as we say round here
"PURE-T-MOMMICKED" And I for one am very impressed with how she has handled this thus far.

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Did some one say 17 dogs??? What does one need 17 dogs for?? I would probably be realy ----ed off to, If I couldn't sleep in my own home. If these animals are barking all hours of the night I am surprised you haven't had more problems.

WOULD ALL OF YOU LATECOMERS PLEASE READ ALL OF THE NUMEROUS THREADS ON THIS TOPIC AND THEN ADD YOUR INPUT???

17 dogs were not barking. 17 dogs were not barking. 17 dogs were not barking. 17 dogs were not barking. 17 dogs were not barking. 17 dogs were not barking.

The fact that pyrnad owned 17 dogs does not mean that 17 dogs were barking all night.

Most of the dogs are in the house at night---except those that are out patrolling, protecting the goats and other livestock. And THOSE dogs are trained to only bark when there are predators approaching. IT'S THEIR JOB!!!
It is a working farm! The nasty neighbors never approached pyrnad about the dogs until after midnight one night when they cursed her out and threatened to poison her valuable LGDs! When she reacted to ther outburst they went into their workshop, shed, whatever, and began a horrendous banging racket in order to either disturb her, or stir up her dogs, or both.
They could have approached her in the daytime and reasonbly tried to work things out with her---she had been very friendly and welcoming to them. They choose to be putzes, and to continue growing from putziness to outright unbelievable gall. They have willfully and maliciously cut down a large swathe of valuable timber on her land---and were caught! They have been obnoxious to every person who has been involved in this case---surveyor, police, ad nauseum.
Not to mention they were DEMANDING that she MOVE HER BARN?!?!? Because they were disturbed by the sounds and smells of her animals??? They knew there was a working farm right smack dab next door to the place they were buying. And they have the gall to move in and expect pyrnad to change her entire life to suit them.

It is fine to have an opinion. An un-informed opinion just annoys the heck out of everyone who has been following this, and makes you look like self-righteous ninnies.

And Qwispea---Most folks are not "calling" evil down on the nasty neighbors. We're just enjoying what an admirable job they are doing of bringing down on themselves.

I'm willing to bet that the "bad wishes" of scads of prior neighbors followed them to this place...pyrnad...too bad you couldn't post these episodes in these people's old neighborhoods. They'd probably host a block party in your honor!

pyrnad has used the legal system to protect her land and her rights to it. She therefore has not done anything illegal. Any one opinion on her rights to use her land as she has described is just that an opinion. Has no effect on anything, other then to maybe give someone the opportunity to vent and risk hurting her feelings. Just my "opinion" but I do not believe pyrnad runs her life based on avoiding hurting anyones feelings at all cost.

Hang in there pyrnad.

Hugs
marlene

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"Most of the dogs are in the house at night" - Jillis
Then most of the dogs are NOT LGDs.

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"Most of the dogs are in the house at night" - Jillis
Then most of the dogs are NOT LGDs.

Right. And further, most of the dogs were NOT barking - just the LDS's.

Never mind.

And if there is one thing that I can't stand... it's barking Mormons. lol. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

OOOOOO good catch, HB. Thanks for the laugh.

And Pyr, you never did give me your addy, I am in Maine too, would love to visit the looney bin you got goin......

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[B]PYRNAD[B] Hope ya dont mind but I think we are just gonna go on and argue this with out ya! Its over so now we can do about anything we want!

? Wait until you have a good thought, then post....

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