Bad neighbors get what is Due

Mpillow, not a saint. Just like to help out other homestead folks. I do this so the world will know it will not change me.
I have tried to take the high road here without blood getting spilled. And I am trying to prevent that. I bought this place and have had no complaints from other neighbors. A new neighbor from down the street stopped to see the donkey, and said they like hearing it. Thought it was the cutest thing they ever saw. These were city folk who also moved to a one acre lot. They thought all of the animals were "neat" and did not realise I had so many, as it is quiet. They go for a walk every evening as I am feeding, and now enjoy stopping and giving the donkey a treat so they can hear him bray.
I hope non of you ever have to go through something like this, with a neighbor who moves next to you, and does not like your critters, and way of life. My new neighbors thing raising your own food is stupid with a grocery stor right downthe street.

Oh yeah...I am sorry...maybe it is a little mean...but I do like the ideas about the guineas and the donkey...

As meanness and revenge go, those are very civilized methods...just enough to give one a feeling of smug satisfaction without a guilty conscience because there is no real or lasting harm being done...enjoy it, pyrnad, I am vicariously enjoying it TREMENDOUSLY!!!

Not at all like threatening to poison one's dogs...or cutting down lots of valuable timber...or destroying a fence...or cursing at one...

I have been following this thread from start. There is one major problem that the neighbor did/did not! They neglected to do their proper research on the property before they bought it. They were responsible for ascertaining the property boundaries and the type of area they were buying into. Never take a salesperson's statements at face value. Find out what is being omitted in the sales pitch. One acre is only one acre, not one and a half or two.

Also, you do not move to an area and expect everyone to change their lifestyle to suit your wants and desires. Pyrnad was there first and had an established farm. She is well within her rights to protect her property and lifestyle and livelyhood from predators and greedy/thoughtless people. It does not matter how many animals, fowl, or dogs she has, as long as she can provide for and take care of them. The law is also there to protect her from people like these neighbors that have no respect for other peoples property or lifestyle.

Keep up the good fight Pyrnad and don't give in to greedy neighbors or people who are offended by others way of life.

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Ive been thinking hummm didnt pyrned move in a change things sometime? I doubt there have always been 17 barking dogs on the property. or Goats at that time wasnt it a case of the newbie moves in with a ton of money buys up all the surrounding land and makes life misreable for the people on the one acre? The new people are faulted for not knowing about the septic system,well shes been there for years didnt she? She said the one acre part had been divided off the property shes on didnt that owner have a responceablitiy to sell a usefull piece of property? and dosent that follow on down to her?
Nope I dont think we are going to see ANY angels here!

Wouldn't that be kind of like a man moving into a city apartment right next to an el and saying "Wow, how convenient a commute!" without ever thinking about the 3:30 AM trains?

Shygal, you just made me LOL all over the place! A barn 20 FEET from their home! My God! You'd think that was a little clue.

I've been following thie thread from day one and I agree with Pyrnad 150%. Those people are dumber than dumb.

Although I can sympathize with your situation pyrnad, aren't you adding fuel to the fire and giving reason for the cliche' "what goes around comes around" to happen to you? I was in your corner until I read that you "borrowed" a friends donkey and are releasing guinees...etc. Sounds as if you're looking for a little revenge.

I'm not trying to side with these nasty neighbors, I'm just trying to see this situation with more clarity.

Either way, these neighbors are screwed. If all they bought was an acre, it's probably because thats all they can afford. It sounds like only a matter of time before they have to move out. Not because you're driving them out, but financially they'll be ruined.

They're digging their own grave, you don't need to help them shovel it.

Sending Blessings of peace your way...

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What she said.

Just waiting for my nasty neighbor to get his comeuppance.

If you have lived there for 10 years and you have had the livestock.Its up to thoose who are moving in to Think about odors and noises. The farm that is there is in the LEGAL right. to keep up with making their living. And NOT have to kow tow to A bunch of Newbie city folks....

When did Pyrnad's neighbors tell you that ..huh?



Well homebirtha ..I still wish Pyrnad the very best!!! Nothing I've said in any of my posts suggests otherwise. I support Pyrnad's right to live peacefully on her farm ..but I also support her neighbor's rights too. Are you saying Pyrnad's neighbors did not have a right to complain about a dog (or dogs) barking all night long? They have a right to complain if the dog (or dogs) barked incessantly throughout the night ..same as Pyrnad has a right to complain about them.



I feel that borrowing a donkey for the purpose to antagonize her neighbor is wrong. Yet ..some here seem to wish that Pyrnad dish out all the revenge she can muster.
I wish evil upon no one ..not Pyrnad ..nor her neighbors. Her neighbors are apparently misguided ..but Pyrnad certainly doesn't have to lower herself to their level. To do so would just be wrong! Indeed ..a few here are openly elated that Pyrnad's neighbors might suffer. I had hoped that Pyrnad might rise above a vengeful type of mentality and merely settle for having her life back to normal.

Yes homebirtha ..I do wish Pyrnad the very best! And somehow ..I wish her neighbors the very best too. I am not taking sides here ..I'm wishing both parties the very best ..and whatever underhanded tactics I think I see ..regardless of who's doing them ..I have a right to disagree with them.

You say that I "suck"? Well ..that says a lot about the type of person you are.

"Also, you do not move to an area and expect everyone to change their lifestyle to suit your wants and desires. "

I suppose its legal to run around nude on your property so long as no one can see you. But when someone moves in, you stop. Same thing with dogs and other animals, you may let them run around and bark and whatever, but when somebody moves in you then have to restrain them and yourselves. I know, neigbors moved in. I no longer run out to my truck to get something i forgot in my underwear. I dont like it but thats the way to be civilized.

Never in history would it have been socially acceptable to have 17 barking dogs all night next to your neighbor, and its not today either.

This is the main reason i fault pyrnad for. Its like if you burned your trash somewhere and neighbors moved in right next to where you had been burning it, you should stop and move it. If you had been dumping manure in a pile somewhere and neighbors moved in you should move it. Its only right.

And i dont believe if those neighbors had the intelligence to check the proper athorities, that pyrnad would be allowed to exempt 17 dogs some old and living in the house, as livestock guard dogs. Thats not right.

Pyrnad needs to either move the obnoxious animals away from the neighbors, or make them be quiet. I would not fault her for the odor, or feeding noises. But 17 barking dogs all night, that just aint right. No way, no how.

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Well, you've convinced me. Pyrnad should get rid of all her dogs, or at least keep them all in the house all the time. The heck with her livestock. Let the coyotes have the goats, just don't bother the new people who moved in next door.

People who think this way, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STAY IN THE 'BURBS, where your home owners association can regulate the number of pets your neighbors have, ok? We BEG you!!

On one hand, she's got the right to own as many dogs as she wants, law permitting. On the other hand, living so close to your neighbor, its common courtesy to keep them quiet at night. Everybody needs a good nights rest. I don't care how nice the neighbors are, if you own 17 dogs and live that close to another homestead, theres going to be problems.

And the donkey, thats just childish.

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Oh, right, they were probably working on a project at 2 a.m.

They can complain all they want. It doesn't mean she has an obligation to put her livestock at risk so the neighbors aren't bothered. And they didn't have a right to threaten bodily harm to Pyrnad for the barking dogs. And they didn't have a right to threaten to kill the dogs.

Did Pyrnad tell you that was the sole purpose, or did her neighbors? From what I read here, she was helping out a friend who needed foster care for her donkey.

You're right. I have no idea if you suck or not. I should have said that what you posted here, and in the past thread, sucked. It sucks that when Pyrnad posted here to vent about the problems she was having, you had to ride and hound her, trying to "get to the bottom of what's going on." I mean, that basically amounts to accusing her of lying. If you can't offer support, why not just stop reading her posts? Why keep riding her and picking apart every single thing she writes. It's not like she's asking anyone here to testify against her neighbors, or send her money. Heck, she's not even asking for support. She's just giving updates because several people here wanted to know what was going on. I just think when someone is in the middle of all this strife, it's pretty uncaring and cold-hearted to give her a hard time, and practically accuse her of lying. Not nice at all.

I have been following this as well, and I have to say, I can not believe how mean all of you people are with each other!!!! I have 10 acres of property and have multiple livestock and I do have LGDs. One of the things that they do is bark, tho mine do not do it much. However, this is MY home. If someone moves next door, it does not take much to see my goats, LDGs, etc. It takes common sense to see that there will be noise, smell, etc. I really feel if these folks came to her calmly, something could have been worked out, but I feel that they have been very wrong in the way they handled it. Is revenge right? Well, no BUT I can understand it when someone puts you through what they have. BUT I am not there to see it and while some of you may disagree with her, I don't think that is any excuse to be so hurtful, insulting and downright rude to her and to each other. A forum is supposed to be to express your thoughts, not make it personal. Geez, get over it already. Post your thoughts and disagreements, but don't attack each other so rudely. I think it is sad that you have let is get to this point. All I can say is that I will protect my home by whatever means necessary and if it were each of you, you would feel the same way. Just my 2 cents...

WHOA, folks. Simmer down, there.

Pyrnad's getting things under control, so the rest of us are armchair quarterbacks, or lawyers.

Please stop bickering. It's not dignified.

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It would help if people would remember the whole thread instead of just the things they want to remember.

Who's not being nice homebirtha? You sure weren't! You may not like what I have to say ..But I'm not going to wish revenge upon Pyrnad's neighbors just because you don't agree with me.

I believe that 'discussion' is not always about blindly agreeing with everything that's been said ..especially if some of those things are confusing. Instead ..I believe that discussion is all about clearing up any misunderstandings.
According to your line of thinking ..it seems you would rather people just offered support blindly. But how do you know that my 'questioning' method of support isn't far better than your 'sheeple' method? Perhaps my way might cause Pyrnad to ponder upon her own actions more ..which might prevent her from blindly following those of you who would rather lynch the neighbors without a proper hearing. Lynchings have never solved anything ..and remember ..Pyrnad has to live with herself after all is said and done. Certainly ..I hope her conscience remains 100% innocent!
If those neighbors have damaged Pyrnad ..I sincerely wish Pyrnad is properly compensated. If Pyrnad ends up owning the little 1 acre plot ..then so be it. As I've stated before ..I personally have nothing against Pyrnad. Nothing you say against me will change that ..no matter how much you wish you could!!! Even tho I disagree with some of the discrepencies we've been subjected to..I still wish Pyrnad the very very best.

The bottom line here is my neighbors purchased 1 acre. They are trying or were trying to to take another acre from me. They did not know the size 1 acre was. After the survey they still say it is wrong. I have over $1,600.00 dollars invested in this battle. Those of you who are "bashing" me, think how you would feel if someone tried to take land that belonged to you. No I am not asking for money. I came here for some support from what I thought were like minded folks and homesteaders. Guess I was wrong about some of you. For those of you who would like updates I will give them. For those of you "bashing " me, please stop sending me a pm to say sorry and then "bash" me again.