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07/16/06, 11:23 AM
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Im just saying, just cause she brought them bread and eggs does NOT make up for her ruining their lives. Those people (if the tale is true) are litterally screwed, and will be crippled financially for al long ass time. All because she wont keep 17 dogs quiet enough so they can sleep !
There was/is a dozen occasions for her to 'turn the other cheek' if she was so inclined. She is not. As soon as she decided the law was on her side, she wouldnt give an inch.
But as most people here know the law is not always on your side. How would you like it if the police said your neighbors could blair their stereo as loud as they want all night, because of some loophole or some such ? Does it make it right ? NO. Everyone is entitled to peace and quiet. At least inside their own homes !
Wait until they build a factory next too your house, or a gravel pit, or a lumber mill, etc and run all night and see if you get your feathers ruffled.
IMHO she is NOT in the right, does NOT deserve all the money she claims, and is the poorest neighbor one could ask for (except possibly her neighbors). Im just tired of everyone bragging her on when she could have ended this in the begining by keeping her animals quiet.
Those neighbors do deserve some of what their getting. Stupidity has its price, and they have to pay. Espically for the trees. But kicking people out of their houses because of the whims of surveyors and petty laws has quite a stench to it.
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07/16/06, 11:48 AM
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Im just saying, just cause she brought them bread and eggs does NOT make up for her ruining their lives. Those people (if the tale is true) are litterally screwed, and will be crippled financially for al long ass time. All because she wont keep 17 dogs quiet enough so they can sleep !
There was/is a dozen occasions for her to 'turn the other cheek' if she was so inclined. She is not. As soon as she decided the law was on her side, she wouldnt give an inch.
But as most people here know the law is not always on your side. How would you like it if the police said your neighbors could blair their stereo as loud as they want all night, because of some loophole or some such ? Does it make it right ? NO. Everyone is entitled to peace and quiet. At least inside their own homes !
Wait until they build a factory next too your house, or a gravel pit, or a lumber mill, etc and run all night and see if you get your feathers ruffled.
IMHO she is NOT in the right, does NOT deserve all the money she claims, and is the poorest neighbor one could ask for (except possibly her neighbors). Im just tired of everyone bragging her on when she could have ended this in the begining by keeping her animals quiet.
Those neighbors do deserve some of what their getting. Stupidity has its price, and they have to pay. Espically for the trees. But kicking people out of their houses because of the whims of surveyors and petty laws has quite a stench to it.
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I did turn the other cheek. I have tried mediation, which they did not want. I am not kicking anyone off their land
They knew where the back property line was, and the survey proved it. They ripped down a fence, scream and swear at me when I am in the barn milking goats. Let their dog run into my barn. I have not said one word to these folks since April. I refuse to get in a physical confrontation with them. This is what they aer looking for. They even tried to get into it with the surveyor.
It is not just the dogs. They wanted the barn moved also. This is all because the seller did not give them the proper disclosures at closing, also they had no inspections done or the water in the well tested.
Well is bad, full of arsenic, structural problems with the dwelling and the list goes on.
They made a mistake in buying this place, but that is not my fault.
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07/16/06, 12:03 PM
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But I will deal with it to drive the neighbors nuts.
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07/16/06, 12:07 PM
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This is all because the seller did not give them the proper disclosures at closing, also they had no inspections done or the water in the well tested.
Well is bad, full of arsenic, structural problems with the dwelling and the list goes on.
They made a mistake in buying this place, but that is not my fault.
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While I feel sorry for what Pyrnad has had to go through ..I feel sorry for the neighbors too. They got way more headache than they bargained for ..and from the sounds of things ..its going to be more heartache than they bargained for too.
I'd rather Pyrnad's HT supporters and friends hate me ..than for me to wish evil upon Pyrnad's neighbors.
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07/16/06, 12:09 PM
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Im just saying, just cause she brought them bread and eggs does NOT make up for her ruining their lives. Those people (if the tale is true) are litterally screwed, and will be crippled financially for al long ass time. All because she wont keep 17 dogs quiet enough so they can sleep !
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Some people cannot be reasoned with.
Whether Pyrnad is at fault for her dogs aggravating them is beside the point: even good neighbors may get upset at the other one.
The point is, THEY went ballistic and blew this whole thing out of proportion --- they asked for trouble and THEY GOT IT. It's not Pyrnad's fault. I believe she would have worked with them to obtain a reasonable way to co-exist.
They are crazy, abusive, and appear to be INSANE!!!
They made their bed --- let them lie in it!
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07/16/06, 12:16 PM
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I take back saying you were the worst neighbor. But i would be shouting more obsenities than your neighbors if my neighbors had 17 barking dogs.
My uncle had a donkey once, had to bite my tounge many times to him. it was so loud and obnixous they kept it at the opposite end from their house , which was by my(dads) house.they thought it was cute to hear it from 1500 feet away. not so cute from 300 (or less)
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07/16/06, 12:19 PM
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Some people cannot be reasoned with.
Whether Pyrnad is at fault for her dogs aggravating them is beside the point: even good neighbors may get upset at the other one.
The point is, THEY went ballistic and blew this whole thing out of proportion --- they asked for trouble and THEY GOT IT. It's not Pyrnad's fault. I believe she would have worked with them to obtain a reasonable way to co-exist.
They are crazy, abusive, and appear to be INSANE!!!
They made their bed --- let them lie in it!
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I disagree! Sounds like they both went ballistic.
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07/16/06, 12:24 PM
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Just for fun I borrowed a donkey from a friend  They thought my dogs were noisy 
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Who was it that said Pyrnad is doing everything she can to be peaceful?
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07/16/06, 12:41 PM
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And while pyrnad attempts to build this fence get donkeys (a very loud and obnixous animal) and other obnoxious animals and moves them near her barn right by the neighbors.
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Where else are you supposed to put animals?
These people bought a home with a neighbors barn 20 FEET from their home. Youd think that would be a clue to maybe not buy the place if they didnt want to put up with animals?
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07/16/06, 12:49 PM
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"Youd think that would be a clue to maybe not buy the place if they didnt want to put up with animals?"
Yes id think. Then again if i moved to the city would i know where to live to avoid traffic, bad neighborhoods, good schools etc ??????
I imagine their reasoning was, "Cool, a barn, isnt that pretty !"
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07/16/06, 01:07 PM
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"Youd think that would be a clue to maybe not buy the place if they didnt want to put up with animals?"
Yes id think. Then again if i moved to the city would i know where to live to avoid traffic, bad neighborhoods, good schools etc ??????
I imagine their reasoning was, "Cool, a barn, isnt that pretty !"
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And so along your reasoning....."I bought everything that was pretty and now I have to pay for it....what do you mean?"
Ever heard of "reality"???? Laws, consequences....talking to the neighbors before you by a piece of property???
C'mon Dave she's been there 10years and obviously is a working farm....free to keep any freakin' farm animal she ---- well wants....and the donkey owner needed temporary housing for the beast and pyrnad being the nice person she is took the donkey and a few other critters to get someone thru a rough patch.....she freakin' gave me a calf for free for pete's sake....the woman is a Saint.....  And all Saints will teach a lesson to those who will listen.
So what are you gonna do when someone moves in next door to you that has a kid with Tourette's syndrome yelling out "F U and you BitHC" How you gonna "fix" that one??? I'd rather listen to a dog bark than that  Or 17 dogs or 50 roosters at 3am 4am and 6am
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07/16/06, 01:08 PM
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I imagine their reasoning was, "Cool, a barn, isnt that pretty !"
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I think chicken farms are pretty too, but I would be smart enough not to buy a place 20 feet away from it and not expect to hear noise and smell odors.
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07/16/06, 01:20 PM
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I just started reading this today.
I have a property line dispute with a neighbor but it is not going like this one.
We neither one have the money for another survey and the markers are still in the ground. At first he claimed we moved them, then after he got to know us he decided they were just put in the wrong place.
Either way, it has been 11 years and we have done nothing about it.
There is a patch of woods that devides us and we don't either one use it.
I like it that way. He will not live a long time and then someone else will buy the land and have another survey done. Then we will know for sure.
BE CAREFUL!!! We had a dispute like yours in an area south of us and it ended with the one neighbor taking down the fence for the umpteenth time and the other neighbor killing him. He went to prison for a short time and is out now.
The two Families are like the Hatfields and the McCoys now.
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07/16/06, 01:20 PM
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Im just saying, just cause she brought them bread and eggs does NOT make up for her ruining their lives. Those people (if the tale is true) are litterally screwed, and will be crippled financially for al long ass time. All because she wont keep 17 dogs quiet enough so they can sleep !
There was/is a dozen occasions for her to 'turn the other cheek' if she was so inclined. She is not. As soon as she decided the law was on her side, she wouldnt give an inch.
But as most people here know the law is not always on your side. How would you like it if the police said your neighbors could blair their stereo as loud as they want all night, because of some loophole or some such ? Does it make it right ? NO. Everyone is entitled to peace and quiet. At least inside their own homes !
Wait until they build a factory next too your house, or a gravel pit, or a lumber mill, etc and run all night and see if you get your feathers ruffled.
IMHO she is NOT in the right, does NOT deserve all the money she claims, and is the poorest neighbor one could ask for (except possibly her neighbors). Im just tired of everyone bragging her on when she could have ended this in the begining by keeping her animals quiet.
Those neighbors do deserve some of what their getting. Stupidity has its price, and they have to pay. Espically for the trees. But kicking people out of their houses because of the whims of surveyors and petty laws has quite a stench to it.
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I have been quietly sitting back reading this saga for months and I have to say that I agree somewhat with tsdave. I quess what bothers me the most is all the supposedly Good Christian People who are rubbing their hands together in glee while salivating and egging her on like a bunch of people at a lynching. (You have my permission to attack me for saying that. But everyone is getting all upset because of hearsay.)
No one here has any iota of the REAL story of what's going. A few people have stated that there are two sides to every story. I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall. We have all exaggerated things in our favor to make ourselves look good.
When I first met my DH he spent quite a bit of time bad-mouthing his ex. Finally I told him that she couldn't be all that bad. "She put up with you for 10 years and I can attest that you aren't a peach all the time." He doesn't bad-mouth her anymore.
Stand back and look at yourselves. Go back and re-read your posts.
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Dave, you're missing some key points. These neighbors didn't try to talk to her reasonably. They went out and banged on stuff in their shed in the middle of the night, specifically to stir up her dogs. They moved next to a working farm, then got ----ed because of the smells, sounds and activities of a working farm. They got a dog and didn't control it (or even have water out for it), letting it come onto Pyr's property repeatedly. They destroyed her property by cutting down trees. The list goes on and on. She didn't take away their home, they are giving it away by their ridiculous behavior. Do you mean to tell me that if you moved next to a farm, you think it would be ok to ask them to move their barn and get rid of their livestock? Haven't lived in the country much, eh?
And qwispea, you are full of it. In the earlier thread, you tried to play all "Oh, I'm just curious. I'm not trying to make Pry feel bad. I'm not taking sides, just trying to get the whole story, blah blah blah", with your armchair lawyering BS. All while hassling pyr continuously while she's going through this awful situation BY HERSELF! Then when people called you on it, you FINALLY backed off, apologized, and wished her the best, said you were going away, claiming you didn't mean to upset her. And now you're right back on Pyr's back. Pyr is by herself, going through all this craziness, and all you can do is pick apart every little thing she writes, defend these moronic neighbors (while saying you're not taking their side, yeah right), and asking her to defend everything she's done over and over. Go away like you said you were going to before! I feel bad for Pyr going through all this, then coming here for support, or just to vent, and having to read more of your cr@p. It sucks and so do you.
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Here's another prime example of idiots moving to the country and assuming that they can change things to suit them. Did they not notice the dogs when they bought the place? Gotta be blind/deaf to miss them!
Those dogs are her protection for her flock, period! If you move to the country next door to people that own livestock and you don't own any or even enjoy that sort of thing then chances are you are NOT going to enjoy yourself unless you like the noises of farm life: barking dogs, loud tractors, crowing roosters, braying donkeys, cackling birds, etc!
I live out in the country and our neighbors across the street have a new donkey. Trust me it's loud, but it protects his livestock. I know that.
There is a wonderful thing though that I purchased when I moved out here: A Box Fan...drowns out just about any noise and makes sleeping that much better!
Pyrnad, I hope things start getting better for you!
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You seldom see a fight where both parties are all sweetness and light.Obviously BOTH parties pulled some underhanded stuff
I expect in a netrul paper the headline would be,
As-meets -ss As- wins -ss loses
It would be interesting to hear the otherside
POTENTIAL HOMESTEADERS TAKE NOTE! the person on the ground first with friends in the community and money for a lawyer wins!
I think somany of us here cheered her on becaue we want our country castles to be inpregnable
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I think that if you move in next door to a farm you'd best like hearing/smelling the critters who live there. In the city you see/smell lots of things you'd rather not but I don't see anyone out in the road trying to stop the traffic from driving past. No matter where you live you are going to have to "put up with" something you'd rather not have to put up with. Make it easier on yourself when you move and choose someplace where you can tolerate your neighbors and their lifestyles. I hate it when someone moves in and tries to take over and change things. Why move in somewhere if you don't like what is going on in the area?
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I have been quietly sitting back reading this saga for months and I have to say that I agree somewhat with tsdave. I quess what bothers me the most is all the supposedly Good Christian People who are rubbing their hands together in glee while salivating and egging her on like a bunch of people at a lynching. (You have my permission to attack me for saying that. But everyone is getting all upset because of hearsay.)
No one here has any iota of the REAL story of what's going. A few people have stated that there are two sides to every story. I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall. We have all exaggerated things in our favor to make ourselves look good.
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I'm not going to attack you, Sally. But I will try to explain the glee we are feeling...way too many times, the selfish, unreasonable, blustering threatening types win the day. These ones aren't. Whatever they try to do to hurt pyrnad is backfiring on them...all I can say, is, "YAY for our side!"
I am a Christian, but I am also human. I have rental properties and I can't begin to tell you how many times my compassion was exploited...and usually it ended up costing me lots of money, time and aggravation...in those rare instances when I "win", yes, I do a dance and rub my hands with glee...one of the reasons we are selling the buildings is so that we don't have to deal with all the nasty folks we have had to deal with anymore...yes, I rejoice to see these nasty neighbors getting their just deserts.
Nothing wrong with justice.
And mpillow, another regular member on this forum lives in this area and knows pyrnad personally...doesn't she know at least an "iota" about the real story of what is going on?
Is this a court of law? Does pyrnad have anything to gain by lying to a passle of people she never met? Will our believing or not believing her affect her outcome in any way? The answer to all these questions is "NO!"
Now, pyrnad, I suggest you TOTALLY ignore the criticisms and continue to post the updates all us wicked people are SALIVATING for!!!
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Pyrned, it just goes to show.
Nobody EVER pleases all people all of the time!
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