Whats wrong with septic service people?

I saw from the beginning why you were skeptical, I am really sorry you have to do with VT BS regulations I really think you would be happier staying in your present state or AR. Probably the septic is only the beginning of the hassells you will deal with in VT just wait till you try to build yourself.

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Cabin Fever Thanks for helping PC. Pc I am so sorry to hear that, I will learn from it though and never move where septics are required.

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Very easy. Call around for references and recommendations instead of quotes. Takes about the same amount of time and a quote tells you nothing of the quality of there work.

*sigh* Jnap, you've got an attitude where VT is concerned which is entirely misplaced. Based on Cabin Fever's soil analysis (water sits on top of this soil because it drains so poorly) effluent pumped into this soil might very well rise to the surface and sit there in stagnant pools. In no way does not allowing this mean VT is awash in "BS regulations."

There are systems (artificial wetlands for example) which might work but are going to be seriously expensive.. and the operative word is "might." Because VT is a network of downhill with water running everywhere (there's a reason we're called the "Green Mountain State") effluent control is a major issue here. Farmers are impacted, developers are impacted, homeowners are impacted. Waste, unless controlled, fouls surface water, drinking water, kills fish... heck.. renders swimming holes unuseable.

This doesn't make pc's position any less disappointing, I'll grant you... but lay off the "VT is the worst place on the planet" attitude. I've been to the Ozarks... it ain't heaven on earth there either. One works with what one has. Or, in this case.. doesn't have.

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Icelandic Sheep and German Angora Rabbits

Here in Maine if you get clasifies as seasonal you can have a holding tank and get it pumped. In fact folks that have shore frontage on China Lake are required to have septic tanks pumped at regular intervals.

So maybe you can blur the line of seasonal?..... Or cut your losses...sell it or let the bank take it back 'cause it sounds like it might not sell

And BTW if you "stiff" the septic guy....you will have a bad reputation way before you get to town....if you decide to keep said property.

I think this is where the suggestion "RV and Squat" originally came from. At some point you may have someone arrive saying "ahem... you seem to be living here.." and certainly if there are children involved there's going to be an issue of residence when school time rolls around. Even if you home school, don't you have to file to that effect? But certainly for many months at a time one could probably get away with playing 'camp.' My neighbors did it for at least 6 months and nobody came and "checked" on them. And this in a well to do tourist town where I'm almost certain theirs is the last outhouse.

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By the way.. they moved out when it got "cold" in the end of October... but as I said, nobody'd been by to check on them or serve notice that they couldn't be there. In theory, as long as they weren't bothering anyone, I suppose they could have made it through the winter. Where the system falls apart is in that nasty effluent problem... at some point you've got to empty the outhouse and take care of that waste. But a friend of mine in ME has lived with an outhouse for as long as I've known her, probably going on over 10 years now. They have a creative shower system which works during the summer, and water coming in for dishes and cooking which goes... somewhere. I'm not clear on where. They've been perched in their little cabin for long enough for their kids to grow up and move on.

Still, I'm not sure what the local laws are up that way, what you could or couldn't do. Although many RV's come with holding tanks which if you could find a place to pump out might keep one going indefinitely.

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hmm this wouldn't be a bad idea.. I wonder if I could get a well without a building permit?

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Mightybooboo knows of a place in TN that sells recently decommissioned school buses that would be a great mobile living option lots of folks in AR have them and use them.I know of at least 3 with in 10 miles of our home.

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what do they run Jnap? (LOL I can already hear the wife and neighboors.. Sigh!!)

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"Let the beauty we love, be what we do. There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." Rumi

I guess since Maine is quite rural and LURC for unorganized townships its quite easy to say I"m building a garage and live in it and have a privy somewhat disguised...

We tore down 6 outhouses at our camp, built one new one, redug the well with a greywater type field and added on but forgot to file papers on advice of the local contractor....10 years ago.

check this place out

www.rvsunlimited.com

Its here in Maine but prices are the best around....we've been looking for 2 years for our Lexington property(code skirting until we can afford to build)

I think he said about 2k, I was seriously considering one for ourselves to live in why we build our home on raw land I buy in the future. Though If I buy with in an hour or so of where i am we can just stay where we are and camp out as we build at times, problem is you risk people stealing from you if you dont stay there.

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don't know about around there but up here you should be able to pick up a pretty nice rv for that amount.. ifin you got a way to pull it. LOL

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"Let the beauty we love, be what we do. There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." Rumi

I wholeheartedly agree! Cabin fever has helped out quite a few people on this board, myself included, who were looking into propreties and weren't sure about soil issues. So .... In case I forgot my manners and didn't say it before, I'll say it now.

Thank you Cabin Fever for your expertise and assistance.

Nikki

Ditto..

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"Let the beauty we love, be what we do. There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." Rumi

actually, maybe pc ought to cut his losses right now and sell the property for what he can get. Based on the posting here, he has blown his credability in that area and will be last on the list for any work needing to be done and it will be a looooong time coming at that. PC, if you haven't taken the time to be there and make some local "friends" you are fighting the tide. When I decided to move from SD to AR I made 5 trips in 2 years before I even started looking at properties, laying the groundwork, having coffee at the local shops, chatting at the stores especially the lumberyard/hardware store, always being the "newbie wanna-be" being extremely complimentary about everything in the area. Sure helped tons when I finally bought and needed a new roof immediately! Still had to wait 6 months, keeping buckets out alal that time and watching water run down the walls, but I got a good job done at a fair price and made nice friends, and got recommendations for other folks I might need in the future. When I do call for some sort of service I always state "so & so" recommended you to me, can you help? Attitude is all in this world. I expect the best and that's what I get. You expect hassel and ripoff and that's what you get cause the attitude comes through even on the phone. Better stay where you are for right now and maybe do some personal internal work to better serve you in the future.

LOL

For one building permit [$75] good for five years, you could say your building a castle I don't see who would care. Since the homeowner does the inspection and signs a certificate of 'self-completion', why would anyone care if you lived in the garage? or in the house?



On my building permit application I labeled each building: house, stables, equipment barn. But later found that I could have labeled them 'A', 'B', 'C'. LURC does not care.

Which makes it great for us.

Note that if this property is sold, the seller (pc) must disclose that they know that a septic system might not be ever approved. Failing to do so will be first, against the law and second, only passing the current problem to an unsuspecting buyer. You reap what you sow. Do the right thing.

PC, again, my advice (and nothing more), is to call a septic contractor and tell them you want them to handle the whole process, permit to completion. They will do everything possible if there is money to be made. I see no other method with a higher chance for success. While you might feel the cost is high, consider the difference in price between what you paid (thinking that you could build) and a selling price based on the knowledge that someone can't build. The difference there should not be ignored.

Robert

He could list and sell the property as recreational land or seasonal property or hunting camp land. Not every one buys property to live on 24/7. Many, many folks buy summer places and vacation places and would not mind "roughing" it for the short times they were there.

Given the area of the universe pc bought into I wouldn't be surprised if the lot was sold as a seasonal property.. "hunting camp" or the like. Or as standing timber, depending on the size. But that doesn't make the disappointment any less.

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Icelandic Sheep and German Angora Rabbits

You'd do well to remember that attitudes differ in various places. When I first arrived in Vermont I was just another flatlander in the minds of the locals, probably here to change everything and make it look like Boston. But when it became evident that I didn't want to change a thing, that I treated the locals with respect, and best of all that I could shoot very well...they decided there was an acceptable bit of honor to me.

I've travelled thru parts of this nation where the local attitudes struck me as repulsive, but kept my mouth shut as I obviously was missing something. Good advice to live by.

Gunner