Perfect homestead in my county wish my friends at HT would buy it with me.

The thread will be opening back up shortly I believe, the mod was out of line for closing it.And I have brought it to their attention as have many others. Davep you probably had no small part to play in getting it closed what with your personal attack that was out of the blue and unwarrented IMO. Say SWMOtom stopped posting after this thread he informed me and thanked me for the great investment though that he was going to make in this property.That is all I will say on it as it came by PM.

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Oh davep what happened is that the owner of the place in AR wanted the $ for the 220 acres with all the water power and roads in cash and he would finance the 150 acres with out water and ammenities. I dont have 220k or I would have bought it and subdivided it to my Ht friends. I could have bought a portion (but I think about 80% sure) while we were discussing it it has sold I would have gone and checked it out and made more of an effort to get folks together and contacted my real life friends also in order to try to get it but the fact is it is hard to do from Kosovo.

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[QUOTE=jnap31]
1The thread will be opening back up shortly I believe,
2the mod was out of line for closing it.
3And I have brought it to their attention as have many others.
4Davep you probably had no small part to play in getting it closed what with your personal attack
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1 I wouldn't count on it.
2 her perogative.
3 Doubtful, there IS a thread by the same name open on the general board there and no such dissention has been noted there, though it was invited (by myself).
4 I'm sure I DID, the atmosphere there is pretty much 'family', and in looking out for family members....I spoke up when it appeared that a family member could be asleep at the wheel and maybe just gullible enough to take things at 'face' value. I have publicly apologised to you if I erred in including you in my reaction, what more do you want.

When people come to others asking for pledges of money, over the internet, and you don't know them from 'Adams off ox', how many here would not see LARGE RED FLAGS ? I would caution you to be wary as well, buy the place you can afford, and make it one near likeminded folks if possible. Getting folks to fall in line with you on a venture that could best be described as 'risky', is putting yourself and your loved ones at someone elses mercy. How much ground does it take to make a fulfilling homestead? I know I have WAY more than I can ever use. I'll never bring this place back to what it was in the 30's thru 50's. I instead will (re) develop 20 or so acres and it will carry me thru.
You want some affordable ground, give me a holler jnap, I could use a close neighbor who wants to walk the walk. davep

You will see my response at the other site and probably think I was insincere but I was not I really do appreciate your trying to protect us from making a big mistake and swimming with the sharks. I think your wrong about (deleted name) but I am not the best judge of character and I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt till they proove me wrong. (part deleted by request) . I dont think anyone from the other site or this one was going to hand over any money to him I really dont but again I could be wrong, I know I was not actually going to buy anyplace till I get back and take my DW for a look first in person and meet the other "neighbors" A ceartain HT member has already offered to help me find the 20-30 acres I am looking for to make a real and self sufficient homestead on and he assured me that he can find it for $500 an acre and it will be in a nice place with trees and lots of water in the county also. With regular jobs in the county available to incase one was needed according to him.That is the milestone I am using now and I already sent boxwoods a pm with my reservations about the price of the TN land and told him I could only afford maybe 5 acres in a few months and I would be out of my mind to leave where I am now (for 5 acres in TN) living on 2 acres and am using an extra 1 that the man that built the house cleared on National forest land and used for 30 years with out them knowing or caring also I was informed before I left that the people that own the 3000 acres adjoining me will never sell to anyone but the old mans son said I maybe able to use some of it so we will see. The fact is though I hate living 70 feet from a HWY that sees maybe 4 vehicles an hour, One time a drunk guy drove right into my thornless black berry patch also My well is 30 feet down hill from a gas line I cant believe they were allowed to put the line in as my well was there first I am sure. I dont know about using borrowed land either dont want to make an orchard on it and gardens and have them change their mind in a few years. The going price where I live is 3k an acre anyway which is more than I can afford.

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Bottom line is, anyone have have to be mental to plunk down $$$ without even meeting your potential neighbors.

If we are sincere about wanting to form a community, one of the very first steps would have to be meeting each other, in person.

Until that happens, all of this is a moot point.

There is always going to be land for sale that would be appropriate to form a community on. Finding land isn't a big hurdle. The big hurdle is getting together and deciding if we want to be neighbors and collaborators in this thing IMHO.

Well said QBV11

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That would be good for a first step of course, but then the work begins. Seems entirely reasonable to me to require background checks, employment checks, credit checks etc.

If I were to enter into any sort of shared financial/asset situation I ---- sure want to verify that they are stable people capable of holding up their end of the agreement. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, and a thorough background check will highlight any potentially troublesome past behaviors that may ultimately be detrimental to the community in general.

I know a couple people whom you could meet and socialize with several times a month for a couple months running, and they would come off as the most upstanding people you have ever met.... they also have felony rap sheets and are NOT people you want as members of your community.

Myself and QBV11 were more interested in a looser community where we are just neighbors and each own our own places. Though if we could somehow pool are resources to purchase a larger property for less $ and decide before hand on an equitable division of said property that would be good IMO.

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Are you interested in the community we are forming?

[QUOTE=Wayne02]That would be good for a first step of course, but then the work begins. Seems entirely reasonable to me to require background checks, employment checks, credit checks etc.

If I were to enter into any sort of shared financial/asset situation I ---- sure want to verify that they are stable people capable of holding up their end of the agreement. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, and a thorough background check will highlight any potentially troublesome past behaviors that may ultimately be detrimental to the community in general.

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Oh by the way I have security clearences in the army and passed all the back ground checks and have a clean bill of health. Say you wouldnt be trying to sell your services to do background checks on folks would you?

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Yikes, getting a lot of exercise jumping to conclusions there jnap. No, I don't do background checks, but as a person who is responsible for hiring people I am familiar with the benefits of background checks and pay people to do them for me.

If you guys are just purchasing separate pieces of property and have no expectation of community function, no expectation of shared resources, no expectation of shared or like interest etc, than you have nothing to worry about. You will just be individual property owners like everyone else, and each property owner is free to function, and act as they please without (for the most part) concern for the community or neighborhood.

Good Luck!

Wayne

Wayne I think that your idea of back ground checks may be a good one at the very least everyone interested should get together and meet each other.You did not respond to QBV11's question I was just speculating on your willingness to help us if you were not interested yourself. Exercise is good for my mind thanks I like to play chess also.

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okay now I'm hurt, I'm not included in the freinds of jsnap!

Sounds wonderful. If anybodies interested in WV let me know.

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I am also a big believer in benchmarking others efforts. Very few things are developed net-new these days, in most cases there have already been like efforts made. There is no sense in reinventing the wheel. Better to learn from the mistakes of others, and focus you energy on the new problems that arise. There has to be other groups who have done the same things you folks are trying to do (or close to it). I seem to recall from the many threads on this subject in the past that a number of names and web-links of various communities have been identified.

If I were involved in something like this I would want to spend a couple days at one or more of the existing communities. I recognize you can talk to people over the phone and through email, but with this kind of deal I think you need the gut-feel type stuff that you can only get from face to face interaction and observation. Preferably over a couple day period. Some in-person interaction with existing communities will give you insight into separating myth from fact on this type of deal. There is nothing like learning what it's like in the trenches from someone who has actually lived in the trenches.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the existing communities would be willing to host your group at their camp for a couple days. Maybe your group could fly to one of the host camps and meet each other for the first time there?

From an outsiders perspective, it strikes me that there may be a bit of the cart before the horse thing going on here. I see folks researching various available properties and such, but apparently the group has not met face to face yet. It strikes me that there really needs to be a "who is actually serious about this" gut check here pretty soon. You have got to know who is sincerely interested about making this happen.

Maybe the first gut check is the initial meet and greet at a Central location somewhere in the U.S. Somewhere that makes sense based on the individuals locations. If somebody is willing to put up $500-$1800 (or whatever it is these days) for the plane tickets at least you know they are initially interested. They at least have some skin in the game at this point.

To answer the question, no I'm not interested in any sort of community effort for myself.

However, I am interested in the subject itself and the human dynamics involved. My experience lies in the business world, working with all kinds of people, both on an individual basis and a team basis. In reading through many of the threads on the subject of community living, it strikes me that many of the same human dynamics that would take place in a planned living community also happen the work world - Self directed work teams vs. managed teams, shared resources vs. dedicated resources, individual goals vs. group goals etc.

My diatribes are not intended as bashing of the community living idea, but as constructive input to your ongoing process of trying to bring this thing together. Just because community living is not my cup of tea certainly doesn't mean it can't be done.

Wayne

I would like to see the interested parties come together.
How much land each family needs would be added and then the total acres could be searched for.
I think each family should own their own land, but there should be some sort of stipulation about not selling out to someone not in the community.
I'd also like to have a large common area, like a meeting hall where we could have communal meals.
The Amish are thriving these days because they understand these principles.
United we stand, divided we fall.
Back in the old days, neighbors would come together and they'd have barn raisings. People would come for miles to help erect a man's barn. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. We need to get back to that.

LOL Sorry didnt mean to exclude anyone honestly it was not a complete list There are lots of folks at HT I would love to have as neighbors you included. I figured you will never leave your neat place you have there in the mountains surounded by your realitives with a year round hunting season.

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Your right. Wayne thanks for your input it was very helpful

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I happen to live in MadisonCo myself...Pettigrew is a TAD farther than 30 minute drive from Fayetteville, but it IS doable...(I grew up in Kingston, on a working farm)
Madison Co has few codes...however, if you're building a house and plan on septic...must have a perk test now. If you have over 10 acres I think it is, it is still very legal to have an outhouse or composting toilet...not a problem going off the grid either....if your solar/wind power is that good you can sell back to power co too....
I adore living here....just need to figure out a new way to make a living here.
My parents moved me out here when I was 12, from southern Ca...and I've been grateful all my life for it too.
HOw bad can it be to grow up 10 miles from the awesome Buffalo River....?

I asked about this place more than a month ago because I was looking at possibly buying land in the Ozarks and NO ONE had an opinion about it. Has anyone purchased anything from Ozarkland.com? Are they reputable?

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Until today's post, the last post on this thread was August 2nd, 2006.

I'd say that this particular place may be sold by now...also, I haven't seen Jnap on for quite awhile.

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