HELP Neighbor tore down my fence

Too funny! Isn't it the truth!!! Mr. Kahr hangs out with me, we're real good buds.

I hope all goes well for you Pyrnad.

pictures,pictures,pictures.photograph everything,ever time,As stated..do a new fence 1ft inside the line.Maybe the surveyer,s re visit(if not too expensive) would be a good thing..Is there any way they could move the markers?Go out to the new fence at odd hrs..unannounced..with a flash camera.If you see/hear anything.Get as close as safely possible(with trusty self defence)then..click..boom.click..boom..a couple shots in the air should make them lose their supper to their jeans

I can do better than photos. I have video. The area is too close to my barn and the road to shoot. Besides that would be sinking to their level, and I am not willing to do that.

Some people get a feeling of power by doing things like this. Some like to feel that they are "right" all the time and go about trying to prove it. Still others are bored and want to liven things up. Some want the noteriety that comes with trouble and others are just plain stupid. Sounds to me like these people are trying to prove they are "right" to Pyrnad and are going way overboard. Maybe living in the woods is becoming too boring for them and they will move after awhile.

Pyrnad, let me apologize for my implying that I was finding fault with how you have conducted yourself. I've been much impressed with how you have choosen to deal with your unpleasent neighbors. My post should have been addressed to those giving advise that would have been more like adding fuel to the fire then a possible solution.

Hopefully once the neighbors realize that you are not going to deal with them directly, but thought law enforcement and legal means they will realize their bullying tactics will just get them into more trouble.

Hugs
marlene

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I was just wondering if Mr. & Mrs. Dimwit have returned.

We Refer to them as Dumb and Dumber. Yes they are back. And said the line is wrong from the way they have been measuring. They are right surveyor is wrong

The code enforcement officer was wrong too and the dog catcher as well....

Must be nice to know everything

Personally, I'd go after him for what he owes you.... heck, you could end up owning his one acre...

Kaza

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I completely agree.

Okay, I just read the whole thread and had to ammend my comment. I still agree though...

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My husband is a surveyor and he read this post with me on Sunday. He wanted me to tell you that a lot of you had wonderful ideas. He also told me that he does this kind of work for people all the time. He also said taking people to court is often the only way people listen. He has been video taped while doing the survey to show where he has put the lines. He said many people will take T posts and mark their line with it and slam it all the way into the ground so it stays put. Good luck and i hope they leave your new fence alone!

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I have a similar issue, where my neighbors are sure they are measuring right and the surveyor is wrong.

I just had my property in WA surveyed so I can put up a fence. Turns out the guy bordering on part of my property has his house built six feet over the line. This is an addition he made - the original house was inside the line.

Luckily, we get along and I'm not too worried about the six feet. I told him I just want to have a written agreement that he acknowledges he's over the line and that we will settle the issue if he ever sells. He was OK with that, but he does want to demonstrate how he measured the property every time I see him and try to convince me the surveyor is wrong.

I figure surveyors are in the business of getting their measurements right.

I also lost 7 feet on one side of the property, 3 on another, and 2 on another, based on what the lines have been historically. I'm glad I had it surveyed before I put my fence up.

I'm in a situation where there are mutiple competing surveys (multiple surveys done by GPS and some done by sight) and none agree. The total difference on the south side of my propert is around 6 feet. There are MULTIPLE survey stakes, with each surveyer having a different "opinion" on where the property line lays.

*shrug* I get along well with my neighbors, so it's never been an issue. I'm going to fence in the very near future, I'll probably split the difference when I do. Maybe get the neighbors to help in exchange for a BBQ and free fencing on part of their property line! (As an aside -- pulling fence is probably my least favorite chore. I've procrastinated for years.)

Stories like these make me greatful for the neighbors I have.

So sorry you are in this situation! Your neighbors sound like my obscenity-screaming, I'm-going-to-do-as-I please neighbor next door! Thankfully, she will be moving shortly. Let's hope she doesn't move in near your neighbors. If they should breed, that would be a travesty!

Since the term "neighbor" usually implies someone who is "neighborly" i.e. someone who is friendly and helpful, maybe we should refer to these folks as WND - Wackos Next Door!

go over their head.
pay for the survey yourself.

videotape the survey in progress if you like.... for effect.

take lots of photographs of the survey markers, the landmarks ect ect.

brushhog, mow or clear a very distinctive 10 foot wide strip on the surveyed property line.

more photos.


send a copy of the new survey map top the neighbors, and put up your own fence 5 feet into your own land.

post it every 10 feet.

if they touch the fence, file criminal trespass charges. maybe some vandalism charges too.

see if they can afford that.

once you have it surveyed, and clearly stripped so the line cant be disputed in court, you can put up any fence you like.
I suggest cyclone fence with barbed wire on top.

or 6" stockade fence, I have several 100 feet of it on my property line, it is amazing how much it shields... its almost like I dont have any neighbors.

I call mine VIN (Village Idiot that is my Neighbor)

i was going to bring up this point but was afriad to sound like i was disagreeing with the original poster or defending the nit-wits if they are wrong. it is possible for surveyors to be wrong. it is possible that if all of the oldest deeds were presented and measure from the other side of your bad neighbors property that they could be right. often old surveys were done by different methods than are used today a modern survey starting from an old landmark point one one side of one persons property may not "jive" with a modern survey done starting from an old landmark on the adjoining persons lot. the surveyor does the best he can using today's methods but often take shortcuts or use the more modern or previously surveyed parcel or landmark, from a more modern survey, because they know the headaches that can result in trying to make the new survey "jive" with older surveys. once the precedent has been set, it is hard to deny even though it may not be totally accurate.

land moves and changes shape over many decades. that alone can result in differences in surveys. let's say for example there are five lots in a row that have changed shape over many years. if a new survey is conducted from each extreme side lot. the people in the middle may end up losing property. is that moral?

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"All that is gold does not glitter..."

We too were/are in a situation where the surveyors are wrong. A county road easement is on one side of the property, it was staked out toally on our property, not split down the line. When the builder came in the mid 1950's, he decided the road would bend too sharp weaving around some houses at one end, so, on his own, he changed the centerline of the road, keeping it in the 120' easement, but _not_ down the center.

This unrecorded change has led to 35+ years of issues. The survey company was sold to a bigger outfit, & they somehow lost all old surveys, and are unable to find their way out of a paper bag..... Unfortunately they are the county's official surveyer.....

Anyhow long story long, there can be many different outcomes from different survey methods & companies.

I'm in no way defending your neighbors - er, vin's - for their behavior, not at all.

--->Paul

Oh my goodness! I can't believe they still believe the property line is wrong! Perhaps they are just 'saying' that now and will leave you alone? (I hope!)

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The surveyor is ultimately liable for any mistakes they make. That is why they are state licensed and required to carry insurance. The correct solution if someone disagrees with a recent survey by a neighbor is to get their own survey done at their own cost and go to court to settle the dispute.

As usual, just my 2 cents.

Mike