Please Help w/ Timber Issue

bumpus · #21 06/09/06, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike in Ohio

Big Rockpile has it straight. If fire came through (burning the underbrush) the trees can be damaged and still look ok. They will be damaged goods as far as logging. We looked at a property like that in West Virginia.

Mike

It would still pay to have someone who really knows and can tell you the real value of those trees.

I live in West Virginia and we have some really good timber, and much more in the past.

Almost all land in West Virginia has been on fire at one time or another and it did not hurt the timber.

It all depends on how hot the fire was when it burnt.

bumpus
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agmantoo · #22 06/09/06, 01:11 PM

Here in NC we set fire to the debris under Loblolly pines to benefit the trees. If I had the 33 acres and the timber is truely little or no commercial value I would have the timber chipped and then I would replant. I expect a growth equating to $125 per acre per year in current dollars. This would give an increase in value of $4125 per year in addition to the appreciation of the dirt underneath the trees. Contact the forestry department and get yourself a formal plan implemented and get yourself setup for property taxes based on the forestry practice.

cfabe · #23 06/09/06, 01:55 PM

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My main qualm is the 33 acres which were priced at market value and without good timber- the price should have been less but a hunter would have paid what I paid just for seasonal deer hunting.

This is a contradictory statement. If someone would have paid that price regardless of the timber, then that's what it is worth without timber. It sounds like you're upset because you discovered that you may have gotten an extra bonus in the timber value, but then discovered that you didn't. You lost something you never had. I don't see how you were injured by this.

Laura · #24 06/09/06, 02:31 PM

I would go ahead and log it off however it worked as long as you have no out-of-pocket expenses. The trees are worthless now and they won't improve any standing there, they will become a hazard. Pulp logs are only profitable if there is a pulp mill nearby, but the timber may be worth something for firewood. Surely you have firewood companies in your area?

Replant the property with whatever you wish it to be, either back in trees or burn it and put in pasture, or both. Seedlings and seed can be gotten inexpensively through your state forestry department.

big rockpile · #25 06/09/06, 02:50 PM

You might do like a friend of mine.Have people pay so much a Cord for Wood,they cut,pile the brush up.He got his property cleared and made a little money doing it.

big rockpile

big rockpile · #26 06/09/06, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by agmantoo

Here in NC we set fire to the debris under Loblolly pines to benefit the trees. If I had the 33 acres and the timber is truely little or no commercial value I would have the timber chipped and then I would replant. I expect a growth equating to $125 per acre per year in current dollars. This would give an increase in value of $4125 per year in addition to the appreciation of the dirt underneath the trees. Contact the forestry department and get yourself a formal plan implemented and get yourself setup for property taxes based on the forestry practice.

He has mostly Oak which will not need to be replanted,but will take a great time to get any growth.It is not good as a Pulp Wood.Might be cut for Charcoal Mill if there is one of them close by.

The Pine he has is probably Short Leaf Pine.Good for Pulp or Lumber,but slower growing than Loblolly Pine.

big rockpile

citilivin · #27 06/09/06, 05:15 PM

One thing I have discovered is that real estate law can vary greatly between states. If your are looking to rescind your contract or claim misrepresentation then you need to talk to a good real estate atty and I do underline good.

Ol'Reb · #28 06/09/06, 08:57 PM

Here's what we do... First we do up a bid invitaion letter, (see sample below). Then we send it to every timber company within 100 miles. Most will not be interested but many will. They understand that this is a sealed bid deal... On the bid opening date, many of the loggers will show up for it and wee what the others bid. We sold timber off of 40 acres last year this way, we had bids come in ranging from $75,000 up to the winner of $143,000. We just sent the letter out below last week on another parcel of timber we are selling.

Sample letter---
June 1, 2006

NOTICE OF TIMBER SALE.

I, xxxxx x. xxxxx would like to solicit bids for the purchase of all merchantable timber on the tract listed below.

TRACT LOCATION.

The tract is located in the northwest corner of section xx township xx north, range x west, xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx Louisiana. This tract is located directly behind the residence at xxxx HWY xx West, xxxxxx, Louisiana. A Map is enclosed. The boundary lines will be marked with blue paint or blue flagging.

TIMBER TO BE SOLD.

All merchantable timber except as marked with pink flagging.

Method Of Sale.

The sale will be awarded on the basis of lump sum, sealed bids.
Bids will be opened at 10:00a.m., Friday July 7th at xxx HWY xx, xxxxxx, Louisiana 71xxx. This is the home of xxx and xxxxxx xxxxxx. The home is directly in front of the timber for sale. Please mail or deliver bids to the address above and mark the envelope “Timber Sale”. Our phone # is xxx-xxx-xxxx. Or the cell # is xxx-xxx-xxxx.

If you have any questions please call.

SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS

1. The owner reserves the right to accept or reject any and all bids.

2. The harvesting operations shall be conducted in a manner that complies with Forestry Best Management Practices.

3. The successful bidder shall have 18 months to remove the designated timber.

Thank you. We look forward to hearing from you.

Tango · #29 06/12/06, 02:33 PM

Had an independent assessor come look at it this morning. He said there's nothing wrong with it. The loggers took the best easy timber and left the timber on the steep slopes. He said it would be very hard for me to find someone who would take it now when what is left is hard to get to. So much for supporting local business

patarini · #30 06/16/06, 12:51 PM

Call the local state forester -- maybe they can help u get a buyer -- u r only 30 miles from one of the biggest pulp users in the country -- i haul paper from them all the time!!! International paper that is. The state forester u can find thru the tn state website, and they might have some better answers. I know the one we have up here in perry is pretty cool.

Tango · #31 06/16/06, 04:27 PM

Thanks Greg. Right now I'm waiting to hear from the consultant who was going to check on loggers. He said they would have to get permission form International Paper to use the roads as it would be easier to haul logs up hill. International Paper border that proeprty on the east and this side of the road to the north. They are all over these parts. BTW, the man who wanted all of the piglets disasppeared on me. They are still available if you still want a couple- will be 6 weeks on Sunday. Turning out very hardy and healthy. Check out th epics in the Pig forum .

BeeFree · #32 06/17/06, 11:18 PM

Just how big are the slopes that the timber is on? I know loggers in MO. that go up and down some big hills to get timber.

They are some millers that only want the best timber then there are some that will take what ever they can get.

In 78 we sold our timber off for 18,000 dollars. They used a skidder on it and scarred the left behind trees. In the 90's DH went in and cut some pecker poles out of some of it that wasn't real good. Now since he retired he has looked over what is left and it is rotting and the bugs are in it really bad. He has been cutting it down himself and skidding it with his 60 JD. He then gets a truck from a local miller and loads the logs and hauls it to this mill and sells it to him. He about has one 40 logged off. He will cut wood out of the tops this winter. Although the bugs is in the timber and a lot is rotten, there is still marketable timber in there. He is averaging at least a thousand feet a load.