Think NAIS is Bad?? Heard about NASS yet??

Well, crap. He was at the VA hospital in Indianapolis a bunch with GWS. Of course, GWS doesn't "exist" but he was still in their system.

Thanks for the link.

"There is a whole lot more ag/govt you must not be aware of, which I would consider common knowledge to anyone in farming. You might want to look around some. You will be surprised."

NOTHING SURPRISES ME ANY MORE. I will avoid as many of them as is humanly possible. The less exposure the less chance of them screwing up with me directly or indirectly involved.

I hope what I dont know does not hurt me.

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So, this is a hatred of government, as much as anything?

I'm just trying to get a handle on things. I know I'm outspoken around here on NAIS & the like - I don't mean anything by that, and I'm a bit opposed to that whole program myself....

I've just been very taken aback by the heated opposition, and trying to figure it out - my curse, my brain likes to figure out things it doesn't quite grasp.

So you don't seem to see any good in any type of government, & you want nothing to do with them. You get no benefits from a government?

Am I going towards the right track, or still flailing away aimlessly?

--->Paul

Read the Constitution and have the Fed Gov't do only those things enumerated in it. That is all they have the authority to do anyway. ALL of every thing else belongs either to the state or local governments - the more local the better as I can see those guys each and every day. I can grab them by their collective or individual Gahones (huevos) if and when necessary.

As for USDA - I see NOTHING in the Constitution that gives the FEDS the power to regulate Agriculture. Of course I also see no Constitutionality to Income taxes (except to fund the Military) and none for Social Security either.

I also belong to the Political party of "Get out of my face and out of my pocket, I can do it quite well by myself - thank you".

As far as me personally, the less places my personal info appears, the less chance the government has to screw me over.

Thanks, YFR. I can understand where you are coming from.

I don't know that we can ever go back to there again, but I can sure identfy with what you are saying.

Thank you,

--->Paul

Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?
How many guns do you have?
Are you a Jew or do you have Jewish ancestry?
What income level are you.

..............Just some survey questions.

Paul,

Your ease with demands for information and the "been around for a long time" reasoning strikes me as successful conditioning.
You write as if income taxes are the same as they were in 1915, that SS is the same creature it was in 1940, that various censuses would have been normal in 1850, and that Government has the consitutional authority to put you to work in supplying any information about you.

I nothing else, the burden of providing information is involuntary servitude.

Everything in life changes. The pioneers mostly made their own and didn't need a store; 7 mom & pop grocery stores changed into 3 chain stores changed into 2 mega groceries in my town in my life.

The hardware store of the 1940's changed into the SuperWalmart.

Electricity happened.

'Simple' government changed into what we have today.

We need to keep up or get run over.

Changing govt is difficult. It's a big machine. We certainly can. Just complaining about it on a forum doesn't do much, me thinks. Takes a whole lot of effort & work to change it tho.

The rest of us need to work it out as best we can, & move forward.

'Just complaining' doesn't change things. Folks that try to fit in seem to be more proactive in working with the govt than your way - not that I mind your way either.

In any case, govt continues to change from the day it was formed. Relying upon some few words you feel were chiseled in stone 200 years ago might make you correct - as you get run over by the people who run society today, with their wishes & ideas...... One really should keep on top of the current & preposed rules & laws that will affect them - wraping oneself in the constitution & ignoring all the laws passed in the past 200 years leads to a lot of rude surprises.

The time to oppose NAIS was 3 years ago, when it was preposed. Coulda killed it easy then.

The time to oppose national surveys was 60 years ago, when they started.

You know about COOL; you know if you sell a certain amount of hay you need to keep much paperwork on it; you know you need to collect state sales tax in many conditions; it doesn't matter if you think it is constitutional or not - it only matters what a few judges think......

Neither of us is right or wrong; just different ways of trying to make life work.

Seems to me opposing something 3 or 60 years after it is enacted is a poor way to go, would be much better to watch what is affecting your life ahead of time & working out a solution for yourself before everything is set in stone.

Seems some of you wish to wear the tin foil hats & complain, without accomplishing anything. Nothing personal, just 'how it looks'.

--->Paul

Why do I suspect that most folks that roll over and accept all federal and state agency requirments are feeding at the weaklings trough of government payoffs. Just accept your sell out and stop advising independent country folks to join you...Glen

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I would never, in a public forum, with easily tracked personal information, make broad statements about the govt. and their institutions, which, if interpreted incorrectly by a bureaucrat, could put me on a watch list, or audit list, or if you're into deep conspiracies, a deep dark disappearing hole....

I Pay my Taxes, I fill in all forms, I ... try and fly under all radar installations, if you get my driftolini...

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