How many "self sufficient" will end up on gov't roles?

pcdreams · #81 05/17/06, 07:57 AM

good for you.. To each their own. But I will NOT be preached to for my choices.

You don't like them or wouldn't choose them for youself.. Fine thats you're choice. But don't preach to me because all you get is an ear full of where you can go and do when you get there. In short its none of your d**n business!!

thequeensblessing · #82 05/17/06, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pcdreams

good for you.. To each their own. But I will NOT be preached to for my choices.

You don't like them or wouldn't choose them for youself.. Fine thats you're choice. But don't preach to me because all you get is an ear full of where you can go and do when you get there. In short its none of your d**n business!!

I see. I mistaken thought you were saying in a previous post that you couldn't afford health insurance. I see that is not the case at all. You simply refuse to have insurance, stubbornly. Yes, you are 100% right. That is your right, and I definitely don't mean to preach to you about your choices. Forgive me if it sounded like I was preaching.
I just wish I had the same option as you, to stubbornly refuse to pay your medical bills when you have that nasty stroke and your wife can't take care of you at home and the authorities that be won't let her sit you under that tree and pull the trigger. When she puts you in a nursing home in your vegetative state, I will have to help pay for your stay and care. Or when you break your leg and are screaming in agony and your wife can't stand to listen to your cries so she relents and calls 911. Yes, I will have to pay for that because I'm not given the same right not to pay your medical bills that you are given.
Ahh well...carry on.

Obser · #83 05/17/06, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by thequeensblessing

You know, I find that folks who can't afford health insurance find money for other things when they want it. If their car breaks down, they find the money to fix it, they find the money to keep the power on, the internet on, the t.v. on,etc. I'd go without a computer, internet, cell phone, television, eating out, buying new clothes, etc. if I had to in order to afford health insurance. I'd get a second, part time job to afford health insurance. I'd do whatever it took.

It is a matter of priorities, isn't it? Some people decide that the highest priority should be medical insurance (mistakenly called "health" insurance). Others decide that other things have higher priority, perhaps freedom from a second job for instance.

It is worthwhile to note that “Approximately 46 million Americans, or 15.7 percent of the population, were without health insurance in 2004 (the latest government data available)” http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml.

It seems as though those who prioritize medical insurance feel free to criticize those who have other priorities. It is a matter of personal decision and there is no “moral high ground”.

Perhaps socialized medicine will cure the problem of having large numbers of uninsured people.

thequeensblessing · #84 05/17/06, 09:09 AM

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It is a matter of priorities, isn't it? Some people decide that the highest priority should be medical insurance (mistakenly called "health" insurance). Others decide that other things have higher priority, perhaps freedom from a second job for instance.

It is worthwhile to note that “Approximately 46 million Americans, or 15.7 percent of the population, were without health insurance in 2004 (the latest government data available)” http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml.

It seems as though those who prioritize medical insurance feel free to criticize those who have other priorities. It is a matter of personal decision and there is no “moral high ground”.

Perhaps socialized medicine will cure the problem of having large numbers of uninsured people.

Perhaps you missed my point? If someone wants the "freedom from a second job" that is all fine and good. But why should I pay for their freedom with my tax dollars?
Taking your line of thinking one tiny step further, if I value my "freedom" from working more than being a slave to the 9 to 5 routine, shouldn't I be able to sit back and collect welfare or other entitlement payments? Afterall, it is my right to do so without others taking the "moral high ground", isn't it?
This line of thinking sums up quite succinctly what is wrong with our society today.

pcdreams · #85 05/17/06, 09:20 AM

No you weren't wrong. WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.. but even if we could I most likely wouldn't.. Seems I said that before if you'd been paying attention

you and the other Q certain have a flair for the dramatic don't you?? As you say carry on.. I'm through arguing because none of us will change our mind.. Whatever.. Enjoy working all those extra hours (which by the way in the end will wreck your health) to pay for your insurance..

frogmammy · #86 05/17/06, 09:40 AM

For example, it's pretty easy to say, if you can't afford kids, don't have them...makes sense, too. However, life is fond of throwing spitballs.

How many people here can claim that EVERY child they had, they *planned* on a year or so in advance?

How many people here have had the MAJOR breadwinner in the family lose their job and not pull in the same (or any) income for months/years?

How many people here have had a spouse die unexpectedly, or suffer a debiliting illness and become unable to work any more?

How many have had a child injured in an accident, or become ill and have to be treated for months/years?

You can have a child/children for YEARS and give them the best life possible, meet all their needs and then one of the above happens and your whole life changes, and theirs too....and then people say (behind your back, of course) "If they can't take care of 'em they shouldn't have had 'em."

Life is seldom simply black & white.

BTW...how many people here can remember when health insurance was a LUXERY?

Mon

jnap31 · #87 05/17/06, 09:57 AM

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oh quit yer whining.. You're just mad cause he called you out... If you can't handle it then don't dish it out..

AMEN becareful Obser he will be hitting report post and running to admin soon. Obser1 The fact is I thank you so much as All those things you responded to and more were driving me insane, and you saved me an hour it would have taken for me to say much the same thing in response to them.

pcdreams · #88 05/17/06, 10:29 AM

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BTW...how many people here can remember when health insurance was a LUXERY?

Mon

hmmp.. still is in my book

nodak3 · #89 05/17/06, 12:00 PM

"I will not be preached to"??????? Freedom of speech for everyone, remember.

pcdreams · #90 05/17/06, 12:04 PM

Yes.. he is free to say whatever he wishes.. Doesn't mean I have to listen(or in this case read) and/or reply to it.. So speak to the wall if you wish.. no one cares.

thequeensblessing · #91 05/17/06, 12:31 PM

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Yes.. he is free to say whatever he wishes.. Doesn't mean I have to listen(or in this case read) and/or reply to it.. So speak to the wall if you wish.. no one cares.

Seeing as it was my post you were referring to, I just thought I'd let you know that I am a she. Thanks.

Qwispea · #92 05/17/06, 09:39 PM

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Plenty of people in the depression time period did not go on government welfare as was said the ticket is owning your home free and clear and some who are uniinsured have made the decision to die a natural death before they give up their farms and possesions to the hospitals better to leave an inheritance to your childrens children in my opinion.

No..I don't think 'government welfare' as we know it existed at that time. But correct me if I'm wrong..didn't tens of thousands of people crawl out of the depression through government programs such as the "CCC" and other such work-programs? And a few years later..didn't WWII ultimately bring the last remnants of the depression come crashing down to it's knees?

Qwispea · #93 05/17/06, 09:42 PM

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and while people are bashing the welfare recipients don't forget that it was THEIR dollar's as well as everyone elses that funded that program.. So don't even get started down that path.

You paid into it you should be able to use it without guilt.. end of story.

I agree with this to a point..those in need should have somewhere to turn to for help. But those who flat out refuse to prepare for future expenses..and ultimately end up on government roles..then how is that fair to the taxpayers who have to support such programs?

pcdreams · #94 05/17/06, 09:50 PM

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Seeing as it was my post you were referring to, I just thought I'd let you know that I am a she. Thanks.

Sorry about that

Qwispea · #95 05/17/06, 09:56 PM

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So nice to read your reply about dying Qwispea. My MIL trying to die naturally. However the amount of pain she has been in for several years has cost many thousands to diagnose and treat. She certainly can't be left screaming in agony and doesn't believe in ending her own life so she simply wants pain relief. In todays world the drs prescribe all kinds of expensive tests before prescribing anything. Luckily she has ins to help out or we tax payers would be helping her out. We may still have to as the way it is going she won't be able to do anything to care for herself soon and despite her wanting to die naturally and at home she may end up in a nursing home.
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I'm very sorry that your MIL is suffering so. No..she should never be left screaming in agony. Never! My MIL has undergoes some very serious medical treatments nearly every week..thousands of dollars worth of medical treatment..even some of her pills are several hundred dollars apiece. Fortunately, he deceased husband had previously worked very hard and earned a nice pension from a global corporation..including lifetime medical coverage for him and his wife. But with co-payments..it is still expensive to an extent..and we most definitely would help her pay bills if she were unable. Charity really does begin at home..IMHO.

I have no qualms about government assistance for those who cannot help themselves..especially our senior citizens who toiled for decades in contributing to society with whatever talents/gifts they were able to share with others..whether at work..or simply in the home..raising and maintaining a well-adjusted family so that they also could someday become productive members of society. Giving back to our senior citizens is one thing I'm very passionate about. Surely most of them have givin plenty of themselves over the many years.

May your family remain a cohesive unit during your current difficulty..and may your MIL's suffering be eased through the love you show her. Please may everything go better than you expect it to.

Qwispea · #96 05/17/06, 10:03 PM

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..I'm so amazed at how many people just ignore being prepared or figure it is the responsibility of others to take care of them in times of crisis. It isn't like a person has no clue hard times could be around the corner at any moment.

It isn't gloom and doom or being among the SHTF persuasion. It's just common sense! First, no one's job is secure any more; I don't care who you work for or what your job is. Secondly, all it takes is a major illness or injury and that can wipe out even the most wealthy person nowadays. Third, if you read a newspaper or listen to the nightly news you surely must see that it's only through the grace of God that this country (let alone the world) is holding together at any given moment.

No one has ever regretted being prepared, even if they never needed it. But everyone regrets it if they are not prepared!

Many very good points Karen. They are ALL relevant and so true. Especially about the 'grace of God'.
I would NEVER kill myself..I'd rather suffer more than Job suffered..more than Jesus suffered. I would NEVER kill myself..I cherish life too much. I have read too many stories of people who suffered terrible circumstances..suffered terrible persecution..suffered terrible afflictions..suffered unspeakable treatment..but had the courage to endure..and eventually overcame whatever their difficulties and came to have a much greater appreciation of life..and of other people too. Life is precious..to precious to even mention the thought of ending it willfully. (IMHO). By the grace of God..he provides life sustaining nourishment to both the righteous and the unrighteous. None of us deserve good things..but we can surely appreciate the loving God who blesses us with good things that we don't deserve.