Thomas Jefferson

Yes yes.. now lets have the list of all the historic homosexuals, white slave traders, alien overlords and the like.

The founding fathers had foibles like the rest of us, foibles that were in keeping with the time they were from and should not be judged against our current standards of behavior. It's a worn out record that the revisionists play and they'll take any "proof" they can latch onto to draw the most bizzarre conclusions from.

Guess everyone needs a hobby...

J

Well said, Thatch!

A little study of history will help everybody. You probably think Jefferson was the 3rd president also. Actually George Washington wasn't the first. Anyone remember the name John Hanson?

Actually T.J.s brother was known to spend a lot of time with the slaves carrying on with them,much to the consternation of the local gossips.
So who knows?
Chas

What about Samuel Huntington? The first president over the continental congress, and thsu the first presidnet of the United states of America.

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I thought it was John Hanson. Elected by the continental congress in November 1781. Served for one year.
When was Huntington elected?

George was the first president. Previous to that it was "President, Congress in Session". Henry Lee, Robert E. Lee's father held it for two years I believe.

What's the big deal if the FCC gets more laws and standards. They don't enforce the ones they have now.

They wont really try to enforce anything until they get their next shot at Christian tv programing and then they'll site some upper management quote about it not being inclusive enough.

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I think Richard Henry Lee was the 4th. Before him was
John Hanson
Elias Boudinot
Thomas Miffin

Samuel Huntington:
Admitted to the Bar of Connecticut, 1754; King's attorney, tax collector, town-meeting moderator, justice of the peace, Norwich Connecticut; Appointed to the Superior court, 1773; Elected to provincial Upper House of Assembly, appointed to the Council of Safety, Delegate to the Continental Congress, 1776...; President of the Continental Congress, 1779-81; Lieutenant Governor & Chief judge of Superior Court of Connecticut, 1784-86; Governor of Connecticut, 1786-1796.


So your answer is: 1779

Thanks ET1 SS, I learned something today. Will try to find more info on him.

List of Presidents

The following men served as the President of the First Continental Congress:

Peyton Randolph (September 5, 1774 – October 21, 1774) and
Henry Middleton (October 22, 1774 – October 26, 1774)

The following men served as the President of the Second Continental Congress:

Peyton Randolph (May 10, 1775 – May 23, 1775)
John Hancock (May 24, 1775 – October 31, 1777)
Henry Laurens (November 1, 1777 – December 9, 1778)
John Jay (December 10, 1778 – September 27, 1779)
Samuel Huntington (September 28, 1779 – March 1, 1781)

The following men served as President of the United States in Congress Assembled:

Samuel Huntington (March 1, 1781 – July 9, 1781)
Thomas McKean (July 10, 1781 – November 4, 1781)
John Hanson (November 5, 1781 – November 3, 1782)
Elias Boudinot (November 4, 1782 – November 2, 1783)
Thomas Mifflin (November 3, 1783 – October 31, 1784)
Richard Henry Lee (November 30, 1784 – November 6, 1785)
John Hancock (November 23, 1785 – May 29, 1786)
Nathaniel Gorham (June 6, 1786 – November 5, 1786)
Arthur St. Clair (February 2, 1787 – November 4, 1787)
Cyrus Griffin (January 22, 1788 – November 2, 1788)

Notes

↑ On March 1, 1781 the title of the office changed, but Samuel Huntington remained in the chair.
↑ Continuation of term begun before official change of title.
↑ Thomas McKean was the first President simply titled “President of the United States” in any official documents.

..........Aren't you getting Ben Franklin mixed up with Thomas Jefferson . He was forever chasing skirts when not working on his inventions or poor richards almanac , etc . fordy...

Franklin is known to have been a skirt chaser, though he did not own slaves. He was the ambassador to France however.

Jefferson did own slaves, and did travel extensively to France and while in France did marry one of his slaves. While in America she was his personal servant [whether in slave states or in free, and while in France she was known and presented as one of his wives. Neither of these scenarios were very unusual for the era].

Wow! You guys are full of fun information. I always wondered why we never learned about any of the leaders before Washington. This thread took an interesting turn. I love it when that happens.

And I had no idea that Jefferson lead such a double life. Was this common knowledge when he was elected?

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If you thought that was art, I would question your sanity. Then, upon finding out whether you were serious or not, I would either remove the stinky lawn ornament or put a plaque in front of it with your name on it... just to make sure credit is given where credit is due. Maybe I'd even invite the neighbors over for a viewing if you were ready to show of your artistic prowess.

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Well I must say that I find your statement very hard to believe. Can you give us some references?

Jefferson had a number of affairs, the the two best known are his affairs with Sally Hemmings and Maria Cosway. The Hemmings affair has been discussed to death and will probably never be resolved to everyones satisfaction. I think its more than likely to be true and frankly water over the bridge at this point. Mr Jefferson is still in my mind, despite his faults, probably the greatest president this country ever had. If I could meet one person in history, Mr Jefferson would be my first choice.
Besides Sally Hemmings, Jefferson had a long standing relationship with Maria Cosway, the wife of the painter Richard Cosway. Richard Cosway was probably bissexual and turned a blind eye to his wife's affair with Jefferson. They exchanged many passionate letters, the best known being "The Head and Heart Letter". You can read it here: http://www.pbs.org/jefferson/archive...s/ih195811.htm

Mrs Cosway was a devout catholic however and wouldnt consider divorcing her husband and that coupled with Jeffersons promise to his dying wife, never to remarry, kept them apart. Mrs. Cosway lived a remarkable life as a painter and teacher and died in 1838. Heres some more info about her and a copy of her portrait which hangs at Mr Jefferson's Monticello.

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Maria%20Cosway



This of course is back when presidential affairs were not public knowledge and nothing near as sordid as the antics of recent residents of the White House.
I never understood why kids didnt enjoy history more in school. You just had to know what to read and where to look. :baby04:

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Mark, that is rubbish with a capital "R". Jefferson wasn't "KNOWN" to have any affairs. I don't know if he did or didn't but it has never been proven that he did, at least in the Hemmings story. I'm sure President Jefferson is pleased to know that without all his percieved faults you still hold him in high esteem.

http://www.angelfire.com/va/TJTruth/background.html

CopperHead: Thank you for posting the article by Mr. Herbert Barger. I found it most interesting and will have to admit that the scientific evidence certainly isnt conclusive. And Mr Barger does make a strong case for Randolph Jefferson.
However, on the same hand, there is no conclusive proof one way or the other and I cant help but think that where there is smoke there may be fire. What disturbs me most about the whole Hemmings matter is that in this day and age, the possibility that Thomas Jefferson, a white planter, may have had an intimate and loving relationship with a black slave woman, should be a matter of such vehement and in many instances acrimonious debate. In Jefferson's day, it was certainly a controversial subject, but it troubles me that now a days, so many people seem to take "offense" that Mr Jefferson may have crossed the color line. I dont see that it diminishes Mr Jefferson in any way. If the affair did occur, I cant imagine it was anything but consensual, despite the slave/master dynamic. I cant see Jefferson forcing or seducing an underage girl. If anything it adds another facet to his personality and illustrates many of the conflicts between his acts and his thoughts. Another example of Head and Heart I suppose. To my mind, it really doesnt matter at all. Its an historical curiosity, but isnt any more important than wether he put his pants on left leg or right leg first or preferred sugar or lemon in his tea. Mr Jefferson is still the greatest president and mind this country has ever produced.

As an aside, I was really surprised the first time I visited Monticello and discovered its rather intimate scale. Americans tend to view our national monuments as being colossal in scale, Washington DC being the prime example. I was truely touched to see that Monticello wasnt really as grand as I had imagined it from photographs. The ceilings in the family rooms are quite low and even the public rooms are certainly humanly scaled. Its a very liveable house even from a modern standpoint and its no surprise that its had such an influence on american architecture. The house at Poplar Forest is even more intimately scaled. Its been years since I was there and I would love to go back and see it now that the restoration has gone forward. The year I visited, they had just begun the work on the roof. Ive been interested in all things Jefferson since my college days when my thesis professor first introduced me to Jeffersons architectural work.

Thanks again for the Barger article.

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