Un-lawful possession of laying hens

I am thinking no if the eggs are not graded corectly and some are smaller or bigger and the consumer has a problem with it get their own chickens or switch to a different egg seller. This was very relevant to the NAIS discussion thanks for posting it.

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[QUOTE=Boleyz]I won't debate it much either, since many Canadians are afraid that our health care is going the way of the "free" American way....which is paying for ALL health care. As for the doctors, yes, they are having a hard time here.....and since you have stated that they all hate Americans, you might want to make sure that none of them are treating you, just in case they decide to take out some frustration.

Again, America is hardly a shining example of tolerance either. I don't think I need to refer to the handfuls of videotaped beatings, etc. that have occurred down south. Every country has people in their midst that are less than ideal. You're always gonna find a few nuts, no matter what their nationality. But that hardly speaks for an entire nation.

There are many that believe that buying more guns, etc, is not the answer to every problem. But there are also many Canadians that believe our army SHOULD maintain a better army. There's nothing wrong with your hating our leaders, it's a free country (well, maybe not in Canada, though, eh? ) but it's also free enough here to say that Bush leaves some leadership skills to be desired.....and considering his ratings drop the longer he remains in power, obviously some of his consituents believe the same thing.

No one is flaming you here. I don't recall any name-calling, etc. It was just a response to your very generalized (and incorrect) comment about Canadians that got me on a roll. I really hate to have someone speak for me.....or for ALL Canadians. You certainly wouldn't like it if I were to speak for all Americans, now, would you? After all, how could I?

Anyhow, enough already. There isn't much more constructive to be said about this, really. The so-called exercise in futility. I'm sure that we should get back to the topic in question---the wayward egg farmer.

**peace to you**

DD

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[QUOTE=DixyDoodle]You've spoken fairly and graciously. I applaud you.

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I am so mad I responded to all your questions in this post you had including the part not quoted in detail and somehow it did not get thru maybe I did not hit the submit button or something GRRR Probably better that it did not get posted as you woudl not have liked it very much.

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I suppose you are right, if it is something that you posted out of sheer anger. But I always try to respect everyone's opinions, provided they are posted in a dignified and non-hostile fashion, even if I don't agree with those opinions sometimes.

~Have a nice day, in any case~

Boleyz, thank you. Who knows, maybe we will even be in agreement come the next topic on hand!

DD

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Ooh, I just HATE when that happens! My sincere sympathies jnap

Just to throw a wrench in the works: I have lived in Dubai (yep, the totalitarian dictatorship you have all heard about lately) for nine years, and seriously, I am more free here than I was in the US. Go figure. I wil be retiring back to the states, but only when I don't have a taxable income. It's one thing to be oppressed by your government, it's quite another to PAY for your own oppression.

Call the cops quick, someone is trying to raise some food !

WITHOUT A LICENSE !!!!!

/sarcasm

alternatly

Oh my god, did you see that ? Someone is trying to do something without the approval of a national beaurocacy ! Its madness i tell you, madness !!!

or

Remember the Alamo !

no thats

Remember the Boston tea party !
yup thats it.

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I wouldn't say I love America but I certainly also wouldn't say I hate it.

I work in Health care - don't even get me started on that. Suffice to say our doctors are well paid and I don't have to weigh my decision to access services based on what's in my bank account or have any insurer telling me who I can go see and I could go on for hours about this. That is no example of lack of freedom to anyone who knows anything about our health care system.

Free speech - again, we could go on about that for hours. I would argue there's not much free speech in the US, especially these days.

Frankly, that farmer was out of line.

Do I really CARE if Canadians love/hate America? Nope.

The Canadian Doctors I talk to around here, say they WEREN'T well-paid. Matter of perspective I guess. Maybe they don't think a guy who goes to college and grad school for 12 years should be paid the same as a telephone linesman or a highway dept. employee. Evil old greedy doctors...

You're right about free speech getting curtailed here, but we ain't throwing pastors in the Gulag yet for preaching the Bible as they see it in their own pulpits.

But again, what Canadians think about America is really a non-issue with me. They're like a little spoiled brother. We don't thump them because they're just too cute...

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This quota system is obviously Socialism. Socialism doesn't work...It is a failure as an economic system. Free market economies are what the New World is about. It's too bad that Canada clings to a stupid economic system.

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Not every thing is run on a quota system here. The farm comodities which are managed (and yes its supply management and I agree wrong) are at least keeping those ag sectors alive by controling the price. Its successful and no more (or less) stupid than heavily subsidizing any enterprise, the way American and European agriculture is. Too bad the US can't shed its subsidy system, because if it did our marketing boards might disappear here!

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On this I must disagree. Here in Pa. The same city that houses the liberty bell and the location of the first congress. They jailed a paster for his "hate" speech. It's was also about gay rights. It gives new meaning to the phrase. "Philadelphia the city of brotherly love."

At what point did it become appropriate to bash Canada?

You can have patriotism clean up to your eyeballs. You can bleed red white and blue and have a flag tatooed on your butt for all I care.

But bashing another country because they don't follow "your" rules is inappropriate. Especially on this forum.

Really... and people wonder why I don't say I'm from the "United States" but from "New England" or "Vermont." There's great swaths of the "United States" which remain largely uncivilized, primitive, and uncultured.

Sorry Canadians. They can't help themselves.

Do ya have a link to a news article on this? I'd like to read more about it. I didn't know it, but if it's true, I say, let the revolution begin...

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How arrogant of you...you say, don't bash canada, then proceed to "bash" large swaths of America by saying that only New England or Vermont are "Civilized". That's the epitome of snobbishness.

Please don't ever apologize to anyone for me. I don't need some uppity New Englander apologizing for my patriotism.

By the Way...I never "Bashed" Canada. I simply stated that their socialism restricts some freedoms. You can deny facts all ya want, but don't call someone "bashing" when they're not.

Finally, let me say that I would never "wonder why" you say you're from New England or Vermont. Your obvious snobbery and bigotry against "those who don't follow "your" rules" (your words) would preclude you from saying anything else...

I liked that idea about the flag tatoo on my butt and I'm glad you don't care. That was considerate of you. Also nice of you not to "bash" anyone, except those of us in these large, "uncivilized, primitive, uncultered swaths" of America. (You forgot to say, "uneducated"...what happened?)

Have a nice day

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There was a thread on HT the other day "Bashing" Vermont. Seems like some of the natives up there can't wait to leave. I guess they want to live a more "Uncivilized, primitive, and uncultured" lifestyle.

Some of em were even heading towards KY. My own little "Swath" of America's "Uncivilized, primitive, and uncultured" outback.

All I can say to these folks is, "Welcome Home"...

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Ditto!!!

It strikes me as an invasion of my right to raise whatever I choose to raise on my farm... I am so ticked off by the complete LACK of support by our own representatives in the Congress that I created a new forum to 'do something about it' You are invited to look in and if you agree; join us!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Vote-for-theOtherGuy


Be sure to look at both the 'Files' section and the 'Links'

the Old Buck

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Good grief, people! I did not post this so you could argue over who's got a better country or health care system, nor who lives in a better region of the US. Give it a rest already.

Here is my original post:
It has nothing to do with whether or not he had 9 million chickens or 9 chickens. How many he had was not my point. And I acknowledged that he had broken the law. My point is that this should not be a law, and that if NAIS actually comes to pass there will be those who come onto our property and confinscate our animals if they find us without proper identification. As Ross pointed out, they are not allowed to even give their eggs away. Can you actually tell me that you think this is right? That the US won't end up doing the same thing once they gain a little ground?

Now, how about y'all get back on track and discuss the actual issue. If you don't see how this is relevant to the nais, fine. Post away. But where you live or what you think of someone's health care system is not the topic, so please don't go and hijack this one any further. Start your own thread

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"It's called a lance...hellooo!"

Wishing I hadn't posted at all about Canada or America..... *sigh*

But about the chicken/egg issue: can anyone tell me exactly how it works in the USA in regards to egg distribution and sales.....both in the 'hobby farm' and the 'industrial' sectors? What exactly are the laws there? Does it change according to state? And please, I'm a dummy when it comes to regulations, and might even nod off , so please keep it simple for my sake! Thank you for any clarification on that!

tsdave, LOL. Yeah it gets pretty silly, huh? It would be nice if all concerned could reach a happy medium, but I doubt that they will ever find anything that would be acceptable to everyone. You can't please everyone!

There are a lot of issues about health safety in Canada right now. See, we've had things like Walkerton (where town water was contaminated by runoff, resulting in several deaths), SARS, etc. which has led to what I consider to be an overconcern with safety. I mean you have to balance it with some common sense. But on the other hand, once a person dies, the public roars and the government responds by constricting the laws. Then the public gripes once again about the strict rules. Again, you can't please everyone. So what can you do?

Heck, there was even an uproar in my town about how they were going to look into regulating backyard 'hobby' farmers who sell produce from a little stand every Saturday (basically a farmer's market) to be licensed and to have a list of ingredients on their products (like homemade pies, etc). They were going to insist that these farmers prove they had a separate sanitary kitchen area, etc, etc. The health unit went so far as to mention restricting church bazaars/fund raisers. That was too much and people rebelled. It's still in the talk stages, I doubt the town will get far with that. BUT......they are only trying to please the public by being (overly) solicitous. And if they don't, you know what happens once someone does get sick? People start suing and blame the government for not doing more......

However, while I don't have a problem with a farmer making some pocket change by selling from a stand, it is a big difference with large operations, IMO. I can choose to avoid veggie/fruit stands if I'm worried about food safety.....if it's in my grocery store, who's to know what I'm buying for sure, if not for some controls?

DD

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