Felling kinda guilty`

meloc, I just want to say "thank you" for saying backside instead of any other reference for that portion of the anatomy. It conveys the same idea w/o being as crude as some have been on this thread. Whatever anyone's opinion on this is, certain words just set up a tension that isn't necessary.

Rachel said -

"Only the two indoor/outdoor Cats are Neutered currently. The other seven will all be fixed within this year. The Females will probably be fixed by the end of January. The Males later this spring."

And then she said -

"You don't even know me or my Cats and you are judging me? I don't think you have the right to judge me by the little that you know of me.
I don't think that I nor my Cats have the right to roam where ever they please. I never said that. My Cats are almost always right here in our yard. If not then they are some where on our property.
I'm just saying that I don't want to loose my best friend just because they happened to go too far off of our property.
Would I keep them in the house if I could? Yes, I would. But since I can't I take the best of care that I can of them."


Here's the part where I judge Rachel -

I have absolutly no respect for you or anyone that has pets that are not fixed and allowed to roam.

You are a hypocrite! Thousands of cats are killed (put to sleep) each year because of people just like you!

SO EITHER PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

"Who says that they would hunt Chickens if they were larger? "<---- you said
Ever watch , say , nature channels ?

I have seen my cats stalk and pounce at banny chickens. But my bannys have
always gotten away, being they can fly like birds. I havent seen my cats stalk
or kill a full sized chicken. I have seen my cat catch a rabbit twice its weight,
(had to put the rabbit down and air-mail the cat a few times), have seen my
cats with many lizzards, huge frogs ... parts, even smaller squrrel part, which
its hard to believe a cat would tango with a squirrel, the vicious little things.
My cats were raise in a barn, along side chickens. But they are as gentle and
loving as house cats. I even let them in sometimes to play with, not sleep.

Interesting information from National Geographic, if you want the link, copy a bit
of the following quote, paste it into a google, add "National Geographic" , hit search.

"Exact numbers are unknown, but some experts estimate that each year domestic and feral cats kill hundreds of millions of birds, and more than a billion small mammals, such as rabbits, squirrels, and chipmunks."

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"I have absolutly no respect for you or anyone that has pets that are not fixed and allowed to roam."

i have two pets, well one now. poor old cuddles departed after 14 years of faithful mousing. my dog only mouses when the trap has them. and he is 14 as well. my pets have lived a long time. i attribute it to the love and bond that comes from mutual acceptance. i did not ask for the dog, my neice had him and he was destined for the pound. i intervened and i am glad i did. cuddles was the pet of another neice of mine who lived here. the cat just stayed on when she left. i did all of the vet stuff for my pets.

there are many ferral cats who have adopted me. i have every intention of trying to catch the females and have them fixed. i will if i can afford it (and my sister works for a vet you would think i could, $80 x 4 is expensive). i may have to eliminate one or two males one way or another. following the math i followed earlier...i enjoy not seeing the 8800 mice around here.

my dad would only kill cats when he felt it was absolutely necessary. he used to drown kittens in a feed bag in the creek. i followed his lead after he passed on. i shot a pregnant mother cat just in time once and was disgusted to see the writhing babies within her. they stopped writhing after several minutes but the image is burned in my mind. i shot another cat at close range once with a 30/30 and actually blew the hide halfway off the animal. i am quite sure it felt very little pain but i felt something. perhaps if i could seperate myself from the graphic imagery of death, i could exterminate the entire population of ferral cats in my neighborhood. two years solid of playing deer hunter 4 on the pc has made me a good shot, lol, no problem there. i just try to balance the killing and the living. i only kill varmints when there is an obvious problem.

i could go on to describe my feelings of religion and God's will etc., but my perception of what God wants me to do is probably different than your understanding of God's will for you (if you even believe in God). we could all be doing different things for the same reason. i feel that God put everything that lives here for a reason. i do not feel that was to annoy me or to make my life difficult, but to help me learn to balance life, to balance killing with acceptance. i guess to make it tangible...if the cat had chicken feathers in it's mouth then i would shoot because then it was obvious that i had a problem with the cat. perhaps everything else is just a test of faith.

..YAWN.. ..same old banter from you "midkiffs"..and with absolutely no "joy".

I never said anything about paying $1.50 for a laying hen..somebody else did. In your rage-induced confusion..you obviously got my post mixed up with someone else..a common trait of yours it seems.

Underwear a bit tight lately..or just an annoying itch somewhere?

Perhaps you might try easing the tension a little bit..instead of exerting so much energy to feed it. It might even help you to feel better yourself. At any rate..Calm Down..please..before your blood pressure sets a new all-time record.

By the way..name-calling and swearing are against the rules..

This includes all humans too..doesn't it? Hey, I'm not angry at anybody..just trying to show somebody that they are coming across as very bitter and angry..and perhaps his anger and bitterness is mis-directed. I mean no harm to anybody on this thread..so I hope you have yourself a very nice day today..

I suppose you have a good point here. I hope midkiffsjoy has a very good day too..and that genuine "joy" abounds within him today.

When we didnt have chickens we had 14 barn cats. Ive seen them kill snakes and they were WONDERFUL for getting the scorpion infestation DOWN!!! And if I didnt have chickens now, I would DEFINITLY have barn cats, but even when I was a kid we had cats eat chicks, and cats (in the plurel) hunt in packs just like dogs (actully I think they are SO much sneeker than dogs. I totally have to agree that cats, typically, are smarter than dogs), and since my chickens eat all the things the cats do, and since I have my hands full with the darn falcon carring off my chickens I, personally, dont feel the need to keep cats anymore. But for someone who doesnt keep something (like chickens or ducks or geese) that eat the grasshoppers, snakes, june bugs, scorpions, and mice cats are wonderful. And I thought about it and I've decided that I agree with Rachel K, anything that tears up my garden and eats my plants are not my friends. Be them deer, armadillos, cats (goodness their poop is toxic) or sparrows.

OMG giggle Usually being attacked by a rooster is how I know what we're gonna eat that weekend for dinner!!!! grin. We did have a little banty rooster, but he died with the others to the dogs. I was picking up birds a mile from the house that tried to get away and were just run down for fun. As soon as they had their necks broken they were just left there, untouched, and the dogs moved to the next moving target. sigh. I DO have two frizzels that I recently hatched out but I dont know what their sex is yet. giggle...pondering an angery frizzel rooster.....grin. I wonder what that looks like.

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Oak Hill Ranch
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Bedias, Texas

The bit about the chickens wasnt aimed at you. And since you pointed out that you knew it wasn't, WHY did you feel the need to comment??? Are you feeling left out sweety???? Are you sad because I know that there are other people in the world besides YOU. I'm so sorry....I'd pet you and try to make you feel better, but that's YOUR wife's job. Not mine. Sorry Bub.

To be HONEST, it's none of your busniess what I'm wearing under my clothes, but if you MUST know emaiul me privately and I MIGHT tell you.

My blood pressure is fine, thank you for asking. However it WAS you who got on and preached and tried to lay guilt trips, not me. It WAS you who questioned the dangers of dog (TRY doing a search on a TV show called "When animals attack" if you still think every dog or cat ever born is a sweet, fluffy, loving, harmless creature. Heck, even cows can kill a person if it wants (or even if it isnt paying attention for that matter....so much for me feeling guilty about my hamburger).

If name calling is against the rules than you need to spank yourself. Why dont YOU try going back and actully READING your OWN postd. Try to pay attention now, I wouldnt want you to miss any of the stone throwing you did. grin.

And BY THE WAY..... HOW do you keep your agricutural tax exepmtion for 50 acres when YOU DONT RUN STOCK ON IT ???? Your taxs must be astranomical for 50 acres of RESEDINDUAL property. hummmmm Maybe youre just independently wealthy. Lucky you. In that case you have no IDEA what it is to run a farm/ranch/homestead as a business that you count on to feed your family and pay the bills. It wouldnt matter to you if a pack of strays wiped out your calf crop (if you have ever truely had stock in your life....though I bet if a pack took down your beloved horse, you might reconcider). But SOME of us depend on our stock, and can't afford to start over everytime someone's cast off (or fuzzy loved one who got out) decides to tear through our property. And since you aparently have NEVER had a problem with strays in YOUR WHOLE LIFE as you put it, WHERE do you get off telling those of us who DO have a running problem with preditary animals that we are immoral for protecting our stock and families???? You have admitted that you DON'T have a CLUE with what we have to deal with. And since you DON'T than you should keep your mouth shut instead of shaking your metrosexual manicured finger at people who do.

I just LOVE it when you go off and then blame others for going off on you in return.....it just makes me all giggly. It shows how superior you think yourself. PLEASE tell more about how you have lived in the country your WHOLE LIFE and NEVER EVER had a problem with something getting into your stock. I LOVE hearing about your barren 50 acres. You're just SO KNOWLEDGABLE about REAL country living.....you and your one lonely horse. *sweetest smile*

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Oak Hill Ranch
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Bedias, Texas

I am sure I do come across as bitter. And I am. I am very fed up and bitter about people who preach. It's never people who have a clue, it's always idiots who preach. I'm sure you are so full of yourself that you think you are entitled to preach and condeme people for protecting their familys and livestock (or should I say livelyhood) from preditors (is THAT where all your finger waggin came in.....SO very mature) And to be quite honest, I don't feel my anger or bitterness IS misdirected. It's directed at ANYONE who thinks their ---- pet or a cast off stray is somehow more important than my family and animals.
I do not go around hunting house cats or shooting dogs in their pens. I stay on MY PROPERTY. The majority of people living on farms/ranchs/homesteads have WAY too much to do than to go hunting house cats. HOWEVER we've worked too hard to let some animal set us back YEARS in our stock. If my cattle got out, I would jump up and find them and bring them home. If your horse got out, would you sit around and yawn and wait for someone else to find it and bring it home??? Does it occure to you that if your horse gets into someone else's field they can charge you $$$ for your horse being there, and eating their grass/hay ??? Did you even stop to THINK about the consequences for cattle getting out and being hit by a car??? NO, because you seem to think that somehow "pets" are different, their special in someo way. I guess they ought to have a "get away with anything card" that desolves them and their owners of any RESPONCIBLITY of their "pet's" actions while they are out. I'm sorry if you can't handle the facts of life, but no one cares about your pet but you. I care about my family and my stock ....in that order. Anything threatening them is EXTRERELY expendable.

By the way.... While I AM full of happiness, I, alas, am never full of Joy. I am Joy, and only DH gets to "enjoy" his day. (Sorry if my "crudness" offends, but you felt you just HAD to bring it up.)

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Oak Hill Ranch
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Bedias, Texas

YAWN! Here we go again..YAWN..
Hey midkiffsjoy..Don't look now..but your mis-placed confusion is showing.
..sorry midkiffsjoy..but I'm not that desparate. Perhaps you could just package it and send it UPS.
Hey midkiffsjoy..I never said a word about how sweet stray dogs are. NEVER! Why do you not know about what you speak??
I never called anybody immoral for protecting their stock or families. NEVER! You are obviously confused.
Hey midkiffsjoy..I never said I had 50 acres! NEVER! You are obviously confused.
Hey midkiffsjoy..I never said I have a horse! NEVER! Why are you so confused?
Could it be your confusion that is making you appear overly Grumpy?

To go totally off-topic here, but I met her in person at the Santa Barbara zoo and made the mistake of asking her for her autograph while Tommy was in the bathroom (they still go out with their kids even tho they are divorced). She wasn't mobbed with people, she was standing alone, so it wasn't like I was some galloping autograph hound screaming in her face.

Anyway, she's very thin, very short, has an incredibly squeaky voice, and was extremely rude and arrogant.

Tommy, on the other hand, was really cool. Seemed drunk. Wouldn't sign an auto, either, though, because 'Pam won't let me'. *rolls eyes*

/end off topic

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PLEASE...a little compassion for those poor, underpriviledged "actors" ? (no) famous people. yeah, those poor underpriviledged famous people. shame on you for thinking only about yourself! don't you know they have cars that need washing and other kinda really important stuff like that.

giggle.

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Oak Hill Ranch
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Bedias, Texas